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"Robert B. Winn" wrote in message
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> > > > > > > > > > > > William Klee wrote in message
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > ,
> > Attila
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:54:27 -0600, "Mark K.
Bilbo"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in alt.abortion with
message-id
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:13:13 -0600
didst
> > William Klee speak
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >thusly:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article
> > <7943568.0402121806.1ea4e0e5@posting.google.com>, Robert B.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Winn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Well, I am not sure what he wrote in, but he
was
> > aware that there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> would be other languages besides the one he
> > used.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> You also claim that even though he didn't
write
> > what
> > you claim he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote, he *meant* what you claim he wrote
because
> > he
> > knew you'd be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> reading it in English someday. That's funny,
in a
> > pathetic sort of way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What's even funnier is Boobert admitting he
really
> > doesn't understand
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >this thing about the bible being written in
other
> > languages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'd bet money he really does *not understand
> > that...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He probably can't understand other languages.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't claim he can understand English.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's concentrate on one English word. What
does
> > the
> > word child mean?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Robert b. winn
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A person between birth an puberty.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Someone who is acting childish (You, for example).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mark Sebree
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So what do you think the word child means in this
scripture?
> > > > > > > > > > Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife,
being
> > great
> > with child.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That Mary was pregnant. That is what the idiom "with
child"
> > means,
> > > > > > > > > and that is what the latin says. Your opinion on the
matter
> > has
> > no
> > > > > > > > > bearing on reality.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > By the way, we already know that the KJV is a poor
> > translation.
> > You
> > > > > > > > > don't have to keep tellinf us this.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ seems to have been a child while he was in
his
> > mother's womb.
> > > > > > > > > > Robert B. winn
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Only in your fevered imagination. In reality, assuming
that
> > Jesus
> > > > > > > > > actually existed, at the time, he was a fetus. He did not
> > become
> > a
> > > > > > > > > child until his birth.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know when you will be joining us in the real world.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mark Sebree
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good thing we have the Bible to tell us what a child is,
right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's one thing the bible says about conception:
> > > > > > Leviticus 12:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a
woman
> > > > > > have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean
> > > > > > seven days; according to the days of the separation for her
> > infirmity
> > > > > > shall she be unclean.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bible calls it 'conceived seed'. It's not a man child til
it's
> > > > > > born.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be fair, Luke says a babe leapt in the womb (Luke 1:41) and
also
> > says
> > > > > > later (Luke 2:12) the babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes..
This
> > > > > > isn't the same term that they use for child though, in the greek
of
> > the
> > > > > > New Testament, there is a difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who cares what the Bible says? We live in a secular world.
You
> > could
> > > > > > > also be saying "Good thing that the Sutras tell us what a
child
> > is."
> > > > > > > Or the Eddas, or any other religious writings.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Religious definions have no place in the secular world. Also,
I
> > have
> > > > > > > not seen state and back up your assertion. That verse from
Luke
> > that
> > > > > > > you love so much is a sloppy translation that uses an idiom
for
> > > > > > > "pregnant". You cannot accept that all the verse says is that
> > Mary
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