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   From: fnord2k@yahoo.com   
      
   In article <7943568.0402211328.3a650bc5@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   Winn  wrote:   
      
   > William Klee  wrote in message   
   > news:<200220042219582609%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...   
   > > In article <7943568.0402201626.52494be@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   > > Winn  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > William Klee  wrote in message   
   > > > news:<200220041401431581%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...   
   > > > > In article <7943568.0402200550.ee7ca86@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   > > > > Winn  wrote:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > news:<7943568.0402171639.325a07c6@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > news:<7943568.0402150533.246ff8c8@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > > news:<7943568.0402131727.1a9e4b1e@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > William Klee  wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > > > news:<130220041336300785%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > In article ,   
   > >  Attila   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:54:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >    
   > wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:13:13 -0600 didst   
   > William   
   > >  Klee speak   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >thusly:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article   
   > >  <7943568.0402121806.1ea4e0e5@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Winn  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Well, I am not sure what he wrote in, but he was   
   > aware   
   > >  that there   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> would be other languages besides the one he used.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> You also claim that even though he didn't write   
   > what   
   > >  you   
   > >  claim he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote, he *meant* what you claim he wrote because   
   > he   
   > >  knew   
   > >  you'd be   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> reading it in English someday. That's funny, in a   
   > >  pathetic   
   > >  sort of way.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What's even funnier is Boobert admitting he really   
   > >  doesn't   
   > >  understand   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >this thing about the bible being written in other   
   > >  languages.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'd bet money he really does *not understand that...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > He probably can't understand other languages.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't claim he can understand English.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's concentrate on one English word.  What does   
   > the   
   > >  word   
   > > > > > > > > > > > child mean?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Robert b. winn   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > A person between birth an puberty.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Someone who is acting childish (You, for example).   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > So what do you think the word child means in this scripture?   
   > > > > > > > > > Luke 2:5  To be taxed  with Mary his espoused wife, being   
   > great   
   > > > > > > > > > with   
   > > > > > > > > > child.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > That Mary was pregnant.  That is what the idiom "with child"   
   > means,   
   > > > > > > > > and that is what the latin says.  Your opinion on the matter   
   > has no   
   > > > > > > > > bearing on reality.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > By the way, we already know that the KJV is a poor translation.   
   > You   
   > > > > > > > > don't have to keep tellinf us this.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ seems to have been a child while he was in his   
   > > > > > > > > > mother's   
   > > > > > > > > > womb.   
   > > > > > > > > > Robert B. winn   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Only in your fevered imagination.  In reality, assuming that   
   > Jesus   
   > > > > > > > > actually existed, at the time, he was a fetus.  He did not   
   > become a   
   > > > > > > > > child until his birth.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Let us know when you will be joining us in the real world.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Good thing we have the Bible to tell us what a child is, right?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Who cares what the Bible says?  We live in a secular world.  You   
   > > > > > > could   
   > > > > > > also be saying "Good thing that the Sutras tell us what a child   
   > > > > > > is."   
   > > > > > > Or the Eddas, or any other religious writings.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Religious definions have no place in the secular world.  Also, I   
   > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > not seen state and back up your assertion.  That verse from Luke   
   > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > you love so much is a sloppy translation that uses an idiom for   
   > > > > > > "pregnant".  You cannot accept that all the verse says is that Mary   
   > > > > > > was pregnant.  What's more, you cannot accept that you opinion   
   about   
   > > > > > > what the Bible says has no bearing on the issue, since the Bible is   
   > > > > > > a   
   > > > > > > mythology, and we are dealing with facts and the real world, and   
   > > > > > > religious definitions have no place in it because none of the   
   myriad   
   > > > > > > of religious beliefs that people subscribe to are allowed to hold   
   > > > > > > sway   
   > > > > > > over everyone else.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Otherwise everyone might be susceptible to joining you in killing   
   > > > > > > > children.   
   > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I have not killed, nor do I advocate killing, children.  Children   
   > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > been born, and abortion does not kill any children.  Your   
   > > > > > > feeble-minded delusions cannot change the reality of the situation,   
   > > > > > > and everyone is entitled to ignore your baseless opinions.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I am entitled to dismiss you.  You are dismissed.   
   > > > >   
      
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