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   From: fnord2k@yahoo.com   
      
   In article <7943568.0402230455.6f4c7556@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   Winn  wrote:   
      
   > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > news:...   
   > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > news:<7943568.0402221239.54260397@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > news:...   
   > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > news:<7943568.0402211241.5f2d9a18@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > And everyone should be as "dangerous" as I am.  I am supporting   
   > > > > > > > > personal and civil rights, and opposing people like you that   
   > want to   
   > > > > > > > > deny people those rights.  Perhaps I am "dangerous" to you,   
   > because I   
   > > > > > > > > show everyone your hatred and intolerance, and how little you   
   > regard   
   > > > > > > > > people and their opinions and beliefs, but that danger is   
   > > > > > > > > intellectual, and a danger to your oppressive agenda.  I am not   
   > > > > > > > > physcially dangerous to anyone, that is not directly and   
   > physically   
   > > > > > > > > threatening me or any other human being near me.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You are supporting immorality and homicides of children.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Wrong on both counts.  Your opinion about what is and is not moral   
   > > > > > > has   
   > > > > > > no objective basis.  All morality is subjective, since it changes   
   > > > > > > from   
   > > > > > > person to person, and over time.  It has no objective basis, and   
   > > > > > > therefore no place in a secular discussion.  You have not shown why   
   > > > > > > anyone should care about what you think is moral or immoral.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > And you have failed to show where I support the homicide of anyone,   
   > > > > > > much less children.  Your opinion in the matter is meaningless, and   
   > > > > > > your statement is nothing more than a weak ad hominem attack.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > If you think that I am supporting the homicide of children, prove   
   it   
   > > > > > > objectively.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >  How did   
   > > > > > > > unborn children directly and physically threaten you?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > They don't.  But they do directly and physically threaten the women   
   > > > > > > that are living off of.  And it is the women's rights to her own   
   > > > > > > body,   
   > > > > > > and her right to determine how her body can be used and by whom   
   > > > > > > that I   
   > > > > > > am defending.  For some reason, no matter how many time you are   
   told   
   > > > > > > this, you never seem to remember it.  Perhaps you just cannot read.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Like I said, You are your own worst enemy.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Well, I would not really think so.   
   > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Of course not.  But it is obvious to anyone that reads your posts   
   > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > a while.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I was just trying to get you to improve your posting style, by   
   > > > > > > actually staying on subject, for example, and not thinking that   
   > > > > > > everyone should accept your subjective opinions without question.    
   I   
   > > > > > > know that I am probably wasting my time, trying to help a loser   
   like   
   > > > > > > you, but it is my time to waste.  And doing so helps my position,   
   > > > > > > while your posts hurt yours.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What you say is partly true.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > More likely it is all true.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >  A person who goes around pretending that   
   > > > > > he cannot tell what a child is   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Which I have not done.  You are pretending that I don't know what a   
   > > > > child is.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > so that he can justify  the killing of   
   > > > > > unborn children   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Don't actually exist.  And you have not shown that I am justifying   
   > > > > killing any children.  Besides, it is the pregnant woman's decision   
   > > > > about whether or not to continue her pregnancy.  If she does not, then   
   > > > > she should not be forced to.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Do you support a husband forcing his wife to have sex with him?  No?   
   > > > > Same thing in essense.  Society cannot force a woman to let the   
   > > > > embryo/fetus use her body without her permission.  If it does, it is   
   > > > > forcing her to allow her body to be violated, and she becomes a slave.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > is in such bad circumstances that his position can   
   > > > > > only improve unless of course,   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Well, my position is a whole lot better than yours.  I am not   
   > > > > advocating torture, enslavement, deniable of rights, or forcing my   
   > > > > views and opinions on others.  You are doing that.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > he actually becomes an abortion doctor   
   > > > > > and actually performs abortions.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Thanks for the compliment.  It would be nice to be regarded as an   
   > > > > unsung hero, and stand directly against the oppression that you   
   > > > > espouse.  After all, I would be working to help women.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > However, it is unlikely that I will go after a medical degree.  If I   
   > > > > was, I would have started it many years ago.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >  At any rate I stopped trying to have   
   > > > > > a conversation with you long ago.   
   > > > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Well, as long as you keep espousing violence against women, forcing   
   > > > > them to undergo hardship and torture, I and others will oppose you.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > After all, that is the right and noble thing to do.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > >   
   > > > There is nothing noble about killing children.   
   > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > >   
   > > Nobody said that there was.  However, there are no children involved   
   > > in an abortion, so there are no children even involved in this debate.   
   > >   
   > > Do try to stay on topic.   
   > >   
   > > Mark Sebree   
   >   
   > What a surprise.  You pretended that you cannot tell what a child is.   
      
   What a surprise. You lie again. How many lies until you feel you've got   
   enough?   
      
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