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   "Robert B. Winn"  wrote in message   
   news:7943568.0402241938.68709b81@posting.google.com...   
   > "MrD Pstychologist \(retired\)"  wrote in message   
   news:...   
   > > "Robert B. Winn"  wrote in message   
   > > news:7943568.0402240700.945360c@posting.google.com...   
   > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402230455.6f4c7556@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402221239.54260397@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402211241.5f2d9a18@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > And everyone should be as "dangerous" as I am.  I am   
   > >  supporting   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > personal and civil rights, and opposing people like   
   you   
   > >  that want to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > deny people those rights.  Perhaps I am "dangerous"   
   to   
   > >  you, because I   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > show everyone your hatred and intolerance, and how   
   > >  little you regard   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > people and their opinions and beliefs, but that   
   danger   
   > >  is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > intellectual, and a danger to your oppressive   
   agenda.  I   
   > >  am not   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > physcially dangerous to anyone, that is not directly   
   and   
   > >  physically   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > threatening me or any other human being near me.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > You are supporting immorality and homicides of   
   children.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Wrong on both counts.  Your opinion about what is and is   
   not   
   > >  moral has   
   > > > > > > > > > > no objective basis.  All morality is subjective, since   
   it   
   > >  changes from   
   > > > > > > > > > > person to person, and over time.  It has no objective   
   basis,   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > > > > > > therefore no place in a secular discussion.  You have   
   not   
   > >  shown why   
   > > > > > > > > > > anyone should care about what you think is moral or   
   immoral.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > And you have failed to show where I support the homicide   
   of   
   > >  anyone,   
   > > > > > > > > > > much less children.  Your opinion in the matter is   
   > >  meaningless, and   
   > > > > > > > > > > your statement is nothing more than a weak ad hominem   
   > >  attack.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > If you think that I am supporting the homicide of   
   children,   
   > >  prove it   
   > > > > > > > > > > objectively.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >  How did   
   > > > > > > > > > > > unborn children directly and physically threaten you?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > They don't.  But they do directly and physically   
   threaten   
   > >  the women   
   > > > > > > > > > > that are living off of.  And it is the women's rights to   
   her   
   > >  own body,   
   > > > > > > > > > > and her right to determine how her body can be used and   
   by   
   > >  whom that I   
   > > > > > > > > > > am defending.  For some reason, no matter how many time   
   you   
   > >  are told   
   > > > > > > > > > > this, you never seem to remember it.  Perhaps you just   
   > >  cannot read.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said, You are your own worst enemy.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I would not really think so.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Of course not.  But it is obvious to anyone that reads   
   your   
   > >  posts for   
   > > > > > > > > > > a while.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > I was just trying to get you to improve your posting   
   style,   
   > >  by   
   > > > > > > > > > > actually staying on subject, for example, and not   
   thinking   
   > >  that   
   > > > > > > > > > > everyone should accept your subjective opinions without   
   > >  question.  I   
   > > > > > > > > > > know that I am probably wasting my time, trying to help   
   a   
   > >  loser like   
   > > > > > > > > > > you, but it is my time to waste.  And doing so helps my   
   > >  position,   
   > > > > > > > > > > while your posts hurt yours.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > What you say is partly true.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > More likely it is all true.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > >  A person who goes around pretending that   
   > > > > > > > > > he cannot tell what a child is   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Which I have not done.  You are pretending that I don't know   
   > >  what a   
   > > > > > > > > child is.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > so that he can justify  the killing of   
   > > > > > > > > > unborn children   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Don't actually exist.  And you have not shown that I am   
   > >  justifying   
   > > > > > > > > killing any children.  Besides, it is the pregnant woman's   
   > >  decision   
   > > > > > > > > about whether or not to continue her pregnancy.  If she does   
   > >  not, then   
   > > > > > > > > she should not be forced to.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Do you support a husband forcing his wife to have sex with   
   him?   
   > >  No?   
   > > > > > > > > Same thing in essense.  Society cannot force a woman to let   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > embryo/fetus use her body without her permission.  If it   
   does,   
   > >  it is   
   > > > > > > > > forcing her to allow her body to be violated, and she   
   becomes a   
   > >  slave.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > is in such bad circumstances that his position can   
   > > > > > > > > > only improve unless of course,   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Well, my position is a whole lot better than yours.  I am   
   not   
   > > > > > > > > advocating torture, enslavement, deniable of rights, or   
   forcing   
   > >  my   
   > > > > > > > > views and opinions on others.  You are doing that.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > he actually becomes an abortion doctor   
   > > > > > > > > > and actually performs abortions.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Thanks for the compliment.  It would be nice to be regarded   
   as   
   > >  an   
   > > > > > > > > unsung hero, and stand directly against the oppression that   
   you   
   > > > > > > > > espouse.  After all, I would be working to help women.   
   > > > > > > > >   
      
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