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   From: WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de   
      
   > ****** Well someone 'set up' the universe and gave us the opportunity to   
   > evolve into what we are today! Of necessity, this would be a more   
   > intelligent being, we call Him God!   
      
   You fundies need to learn that repetition of a claim is NOT equal to   
   proof for that claim. Sentience is by no means a logical conclusion   
   from your unproven assumption above.   
      
   > ****** My evidence is the assumption that as we are created, did not create   
   > ourselves, there needs to be a God.   
      
   You know that you disqualified yourself, no?   
   "My evidence is the ASSUMPTION..."   
   You want to show us evidence? Then you better present something   
   verifyable... you can ASSUME everything you want, you can assume that   
   the moon is made of Swiss cheese, you can assume that I'm not a human   
   but a cockroach that hops up and down on a keyboard to type, literally   
   everything. You don't prove anything with an assumption.   
      
   > ****** There is ONE God, known by different names, both in mytholigy and   
   > modern theist religions.   
      
   Your evidence being...? ;)   
      
   > > 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the   
   > > "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even   
   > > flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all   
   > > the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the   
   > > elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" --   
   > > including women, children, and trees!   
   > ****** Bible stories need to be put into perspective!   
      
   Oh well, in what "perspective" do you think the near-genocide of all   
   humanity, including newborns et cetera, in fact the near-genocide of   
   ALL LIFE in the mythical flood does NOT constitute pure sadism on   
   behalf of the bastard known as biblegod?   
      
   > ****** The six days of the Bible, were likely periods of 2 billion years   
   > each.   
      
   Too bad that the Genesis fairy tale messes up the order of events as   
   well... no way to explain THAT away with your loooong days.   
      
   > ****** Everyone has the opportunity to get to Heaven, with atheists denying   
   > that there is a God, it will just take a little longer!   
      
   One can't deny something that he doesn't believe exists. Your claim is   
   based on pure arrogance and bigotry.   
   Oh well, perhaps you can present PROOF, bona fide unmistakable proof   
   for the existence of your gawd? You'd be the very first one to do so...   
      
   > > ...some idiot   
   > > rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be   
   > > all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.   
   > ****** As well as the question of who created mankind!   
      
   Where have you been when this was explained in your biology class?   
   Practicing buybull-thumping with your cult Führer?   
      
   > > 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it   
   > > comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be   
   > > evidence that prayer works. And you think that the   
   > > remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.   
   > ****** People who ask intelligent questions or for the type of assistance   
   > that is in their best interests have a good success rate!   
      
   This of course means that almost all the Christians in the world are   
   idiots... ;)   
      
   > > 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and   
   > > agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church   
   > > history - but still call yourself a Christian.   
   > ****** As atheists deny a God or have 'no feelings' for or against, why   
   > should they be SO concerned about what theists get up to?   
      
   Ever had a look at both your constitution and the real world in   
   general? Obviously not.   
      
   > **** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't   
   > breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into   
   > it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****   
      
   Again, repetition of a claim does not prove the truth of that claim,   
   but only the arrogance and stubbornness of the one claiming.   
      
   > Leviticus 20:13  If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,   
   > both of them have committed an abomination: they shall   
   > surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.   
      
   So what? The buybull condemns homosexuality AS AN IDOLATRIC RITE.   
   Either prove to us what idols today's homosexuals worship, or get lost.   
      
      
      
   --   
   UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM   
      
   1. "I'm right and you are wrong".   
   2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.   
   3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.   
   4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,   
   or verbal, at all times as defensive   
   4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever   
   followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream   
   "Persecution!"   
   5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed   
   into a corner in an argument   
   5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be   
   honest and admit the obvious   
   6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.   
   7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of   
   error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a   
   something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except   
   verbally and secretly to God himself   
   8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for   
   the world.  Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for   
   the betterment of mankind.   
   9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.   
   10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and   
   oppose all such information through classification of such information in   
   a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing   
   propaganda)   
   11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is   
   complex and there are shades of grey   
   12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to   
   forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't   
   have that right anyhow.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)