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   Message 2,822 of 4,310   
   William Klee to Winn   
   Re: immoral people (1/3)   
   29 Feb 04 22:22:41   
   
   XPost: alt.abortion, alt.abortion.inequity, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.support.abortion, talk.abortion, us.issues.abortion   
   From: fnord2k@yahoo.com   
      
   In article <7943568.0402291237.2b9f0671@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   Winn  wrote:   
      
   > William Klee  wrote in message   
   > news:<280220042343209464%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...   
   > > In article <7943568.0402281918.1a348143@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   > > Winn  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > news:...   
   > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > news:<7943568.0402272348.c4cf701@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > news:<7943568.0402270444.43076d62@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > news:<7943568.0402242004.5cae6d70@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > > > > > > > > > news:...   
   > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402221712.42611853@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adulterer is not a name.  It is a description of   
   > certain   
   > >  behavior.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Your right.  However, you have not shown that I am an   
   > >  adulterer, and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > that I engage in that behavior.  And calling me an   
   > >  adulterer is an   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > example of name calling.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you would doubtlessly say the same thing to Jesus   
   > >  Christ.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > If he accused me of being an adulterer without proof, yes I   
   > >  would.   
   > > > > > > > > > > And why wouldn't I?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >  But I   
   > > > > > > > > > > > say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust   
   > after   
   > >  her hath   
   > > > > > > > > > > > committed adultery with her already in his heart.  Matt   
   > 5:28   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Your point?  Biblical passages do not prove that I am an   
   > >  adulterer.   
   > > > > > > > > > > You religion cannot be used as evidence against me, nor as   
   a   
   > >  source of   
   > > > > > > > > > > definitions against me, when you make a secular accusation.   
   > >  That is   
   > > > > > > > > > > because I do not follow your religion, any more than a   
   > Hindi or   
   > >  a   
   > > > > > > > > > > Wiccan does.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Now, prove that I am an adulterer, or retract your lie.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > You have called me murderer, but you cannot back it up.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said that I kill children, but you do not back   
   > it   
   > >  up.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > You are now calling me an adulterer, but you are still   
   > not   
   > >  backing it   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > up.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it, you will not be hindered in any of   
   the   
   > >  above   
   > > > > > > > > > > > activities until the return of Christ.  That does not   
   mean   
   > >  you are not   
   > > > > > > > > > > > doing them.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > It also does not mean that I am doing them.  You have made   
   > the   
   > > > > > > > > > > accusations, it is your job to back them up.  You have not   
   > even   
   > > > > > > > > > > attempted to.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > And you are the one waiting for the return of your mythical   
   > >  prophet,   
   > > > > > > > > > > not me.  I don't have time to wait forever for an event   
   that   
   > >  will   
   > > > > > > > > > > never happen.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > All you do is call people names, as if you were a child   
   > in a   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > schoolyard argument, or a bully taunting someone that   
   > does   
   > >  not fight   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > back.  Well, guess what.  I am standing up to you, and   
   > you   
   > >  cannot   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > handle it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I would have to believe that you are finding out   
   for   
   > >  yourself   
   > > > > > > > > > > > the weakness of the position of the adulterer in society.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Given that I am not an adulterer, all that I am finding out   
   > is   
   > >  that   
   > > > > > > > > > > you are a liar.  And I already know that weakness in   
   society   
   > >  that a   
   > > > > > > > > > > known liar has.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > So, when are you going to present the evidence that I am an   
   > >  adulterer?   
   > > > > > > > > > >  You have made no attempt to do so.  All you have done is   
   > show   
   > > > > > > > > > > yourself to be a compulsive liar.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you a little help.  Here is the defintion   
   > of an   
   > >  adulterer   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > from dictionary.com:   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. A man who commits adultery; a married man who has   
   > sexual   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > intercourse with a woman not his wife.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Since I am not married, it is impossible for me to be   
   an   
   > >  adulterer.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, your claim is baseless, just like almost all   
   > >  your claims.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > According to Jesus Christ,   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Which has nothing to do with the discussion.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > any person, married or unmarried, who looks   
   > > > > > > > > > > > upon a woman to lust after her is guilty of adultery.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Too bad that the opinion has not bearing on the discussion.   
   > >  Your   
   > > > > > > > > > > religion cannot be used in a secular accusation against   
   > someone   
   > >  that   
   > > > > > > > > > > does not follow your beliesfs.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >  I would have to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > believe that Jesus Christ is correct about this.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > No you don't.  You could try thinking for yourseelf.   
   > Besides,   
   > >  your   
   > > > > > > > > > > personal beliefs have no place in a secular accusation   
   > against   
   > >  someone   
      
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