XPost: alt.abortion, alt.abortion.inequity, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.support.abortion, talk.abortion, us.issues.abortion   
   From: ladyhawk_twonospam@hotmail.com   
      
   Robert B. Winn wrote:   
      
   > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:...   
   >   
   >>rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message new   
   :<7943568.0403030828.6ad39bf7@posting.google.com>...   
   >>   
   >>>sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:...   
   >>>   
   >>>>rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message n   
   ws:<7943568.0403021355.427bedbe@posting.google.com>...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<   
   30d43e8.0403011007.9c1e558@posting.google.com>...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   news:<7943568.0402291636.2a11a1d2@posting.google.com>...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message news   
   ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>[snip for brevity]   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>I don't treat women with any disrespect.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>You could have fooled me.  Most people would consider it very   
   >>>>>>>>disrespectful to try an force someone to undergo great physical and   
   >>>>>>>>mental hardship and torture for no reason whatsoever.  Most people   
   >>>>>>>>consider it disrespectful to want to take way people's rights to   
   >>>>>>>>control their own bodies and their own lives.  Most people consider it   
   >>>>>>>>disrespectful to want to make women slaves to your whims, desires, and   
   >>>>>>>>beliefs.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Most people would also consider you a liar, given the number of lies   
   >>>>>>>>that you tell on a regular basis.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You adulterers are the ones   
   >>>>>>>>>who think they are chattel.   
   >>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Given that I am not an adulterer, and you have never even tried to   
   >>>>>>>>prove that I am an adulterer, whom are you talking about?  You are the   
   >>>>>>>>one that wants to make slaves of women, and force them to endure the   
   >>>>>>>>physical and mental hardships and torture of an unwanted pregnancy.   
   >>>>>>>>That would seem to make you the one that thinks that they are chattel.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>On the other hand, I want to keep everyone out of the women's   
   >>>>>>>>business.  I want her to live her own life as she sees fit, with   
   >>>>>>>>complete control over her own body and her own fate.  Since I am not   
   >>>>>>>>even trying to exert any control over women, how do you figure that I   
   >>>>>>>>think that they are chattel?  Especially when what I espouse in   
   >>>>>>>>freedom, not slavery.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Mark Sebree   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>You equate the ability to kill children with freedom.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>No, I do not.  Your delusions do not change that reality.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That is not what freedom is.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>I know.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Freedom is the ability to make your own decisions   
   >>>>>>>and allowing all others to make theirs.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>And that is exactly what I support, and what you abhor.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That would include children.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Correct.  Children are perfectly capable of making their own decisions   
   >>>>>>and acting on them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Saying that you want to allow immoral people   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>YOUR opinion of immoral has no bearing on the issue.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>to do whatever they want   
   >>>>>>>to do at the expense of the lives of innocent children is not freedom.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>And nobody is proposing that it be allowed.  People that kill other   
   >>>>>>people, especially children, and usually arrested.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Why aren't you the same way about money?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>???  What are you talking about now?  You have been talking about   
   >>>>>>children, but you have yet to mention anything about abortion, which   
   >>>>>>is the subject of this newsgroup, and now you are saying something   
   >>>>>>about money?  Do try to stay on topic.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Many immoral people   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>YOUR opinion of which people are immoral.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>would   
   >>>>>>>like to have money they did not earn.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>People like you?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Don't you think they have the   
   >>>>>>>right to do whatever they want to do with their own bodies if they   
   >>>>>>>want their bodies to take some of your money?   
   >>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Because theft, like murder and slavery, causes people real harm.   
   >>>>>>Their rights stop at my nose, and visa versa.  There are laws against   
   >>>>>>all three in this country.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Now that you have gotten that non sequitor and diversionary rant off   
   >>>>>>your chest, do you want to get back on topic?  This newsgroup deals   
   >>>>>>with abortion, not murder, and not theft.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>You have not provided any evidence that I am an adulterer, but you   
   >>>>>>still call me that.  You have stated that I am "immoral", but you have   
   >>>>>>not defined "morals" objectively.  I have asked you to support your   
   >>>>>>oppressive agenda that will cause hardship and misery to 1 million   
   >>>>>>women per year, and the deaths of over 100 women per year, but you   
   >>>>>>have not even attempted to do so.  All you have done is try to divert   
   >>>>>>the issue away from you supporting your agenda, and the very real   
   >>>>>>consequences of that agenda.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>You have again run away.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Mark Sebree   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>You have told me several times that you are an adulterer.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Wrong.  You have accused me of being an adulterer, but you have never   
   >>>>backed it up.  You really must keep your posts straight.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>If you think that I have staighted that I am an adulterer, then   
   >>>>present your evidence that I have.  And before you start, my asking   
   >>>>for proof that your deity exists does not make my an adulterer,   
   >>>>because your religion has no bearing on a secular accusation, which is   
   >>>>what you have made.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Your idea   
   >>>>>of freedom is adulterers doing whatever comes into their minds.   
   >>>>>Robert B. Winn   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You have absolutely no idea what I consider freedom.  I am not even   
   >>>>sure that you understand the concept, given that you are advocating   
   >>>>the removal of other people's freedoms, and you do not respect   
   >>>>people's freedom of religion.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>And I can support my statements, unlike you.  You have stated   
   >>>>repeatedly that you desire to force women to continue unwanted   
   >>>>pregnancies against their wills.  This removes their freedom to   
   >>>>determine for themselves what uses their own bodies may be put to, as   
   >>>>well as what medical procedures to request for themselves.  You also   
   >>>>do not respect freedom of religion, because you keep thinking that   
   >>>>your religious beliefs and opinions should apply to people that do not   
      
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