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Light Templar wrote:
> Robert B. Winn wrote:
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>>"Light Templar" wrote in message
>>news:...
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>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:
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>>>>"Light Templar" wrote in message
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>>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Light Templar" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:<4Qjac.7816$Dv2.7376@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Light Templar" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:...
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>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Light Templar" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>William Klee wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:<280320041826457289%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>><7943568.0403281520.7e373d7a@posting.google.com>, Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>B. Winn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"MrD Pstychologist \(retired\)" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in message news:...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Robert B. Winn" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:7943568.0403280544.e9aa127@posting.google.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You really live in la-la land, don't you. Most people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>arrested are taken before a pro-abortion police state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>judge and told that they do not have the right to trial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by jury.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wow, that really is some projection you have going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most people meaning you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can't help that you are so out of touch with reality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that you cannot be brought to trial in front of a jury
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>based on your incompetence to stand trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My local papers are repeatedly reporting different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>results from jury trials of normal citizens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There is no 'pro-abortion police state' in evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are a delusional idiot with a personal ax to grind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is probably due to you being institutionalized from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>time to time to protect yourself and society from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>possible repercussions of your projective delusions. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think it is time you see a doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MrD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do not care what you say. The majority of court cases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the United States today take place before judges who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tell the defendants that they do not have the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trial by jury.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry to tell you this, boobie, but there isn't a magical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>number that, once reached, makes your lie true. It just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>makes it a repeated lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, since you have accused me of lying, it would be up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>you to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The majority of criminal cases today take place before
>>>>>>>>>>>>pro-abortion judges who tell the defendants that they do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>have the right to trial by jury. Are you trying to say you
>>>>>>>>>>>>have never had a traffic violation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Can you cite some of these cases?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I can cite all of the traffic violations taking place at the
>>>>>>>>>>present time in your city. No one is allowed trial by jury
>>>>>>>>>>for a traffic violation any more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where do you live? If I want a trial by jury, all I need do
>>>>>>>>>is ask. The Judge cannot, per State law, deny it. It's
>>>>>>>>>generally rather pointless for a misdemeanor though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In most states, only serious felonies are given trial by jury.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Probably because if you pulled people out of work to serve on
>>>>>>>>>juries for every little infraction, the country would shut
>>>>>>>>>down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This
>>>>>>>>>>began with a minority opinion written by Justice Thurgood
>>>>>>>>>>Marshall in which he stated that the Constitution did not
>>>>>>>>>>really guarantee trial by jury in all criminal prosecutions
>>>>>>>>>>even though it said it did. Within a few years, states were
>>>>>>>>>>denying trial by jury, which was then upheld by state supreme
>>>>>>>>>>courts. This arrangement proved to be so profitable for
>>>>>>>>>>lawyers that they have done whatever they can do to protect
>>>>>>>>>>this denial of rights of United States citizens. Robert B.
>>>>>>>>>>Winn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where was it ruled that it is a denial of rights? Last time I
>>>>>>>>>fought a traffic ticket, I didn't need a lawyer, and I won...
>>>>>>>>>So how was that profitable for the lawyers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They did not have to provide a jury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lawyers do not provide juries, juries do not cost lawyers a dime.
>>>>>>>How is it profitable for the lawyers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is much cheaper for them to
>>>>>>>>give some exemplary examples of pro-abortion values, such as you
>>>>>>>>are,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What does abortion, pro or con, have to do with juryless trials?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>an acquital to show everyone how fair they are, than to provide
>>>>>>>>juries to those who ask for them. I was the person who decided
>>>>>>>>that denial of the right to trial by jury to United States
>>>>>>>>citizens was a denial of rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yet, you haven't answered the question as to exactly how it is a
>>>>>>>denial of rights if you can still have a jury trial is you so
>>>>>>>chose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You pro-abortion people were all in favor of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can get a jury trial when I want/need or have to have one, and
>>>>>>>can forego a jury trial for misdemeanors when I want/need to.
>>>>>>>It seems that I have more rights, rather than fewer. How,
>>>>>>>exactly, and please be specific, would you handle gathering
>>>>>>>together 12 people for each and every trial, no matter how small
>>>>>>>the infraction, and keep the needed manpower in our employment
>>>>>>>base?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, there is no greater need than some work being done to stop
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