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   From: tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net   
      
   Robert B. Winn wrote:   
   > "Light Templar"  wrote in message news:   
   DF0bc.10920$Dv2.1630@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...   
   >   
   >>Robert B. Winn wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>"B. Kildow"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:<406C362F.30301@spamenot.foxinternet.net>...   
   >>>   
   >>>>Light Templar wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>[snip]   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>Funny...the Montana State Constitution says in Article 2: "Section   
   >>>>26. Trial by jury. The right of trial by jury is secured to all and   
   >>>>shall remain inviolate. But upon default of appearance or by consent   
   >>>>of the parties expressed in such manner as the law may provide, all   
   >>>>cases may be tried without a jury or before fewer than the number of   
   >>>>jurors provided by law. In all civil actions, two-thirds of the jury   
   >>>>may render a verdict, and a verdict so rendered shall have the same   
   >>>>force and effect as if all had concurred therein. In all criminal   
   >>>>actions, the verdict shall be unanimous."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Care to show an amendment to that, Mr. Winn?  And while you're at it   
   >>>>can you tell me where you got that figure of "50,000,000" from?  I'm   
   >>>>still curious and still waiting.  It's only been about a month now   
   >>>>since I first asked you.  Surely you can give me a cite for it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>50,000,000 was my own estimate.  I think you will find it to be   
   >>>accurate enough.   
   >>   
   >>Show us what you based your estimate on, what is the basis for your   
   >>estimate?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>BK   
   >>>>AA#1992   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Then you need to actually fight for your rights in Montana.   I did   
   >>>>>some searching on the internet, and apparently every state I   
   >>>>>researched, about ten of them so far, grants trial by jury if   
   >>>>>demanded or when necessary.    I will research Montana tonight.   
   >>>>   
   >>>A state saying that they grant trial by jury and a state granting   
   >>>trial by jury are two different things.  You seem to have forgotten   
   >>>about Nevada v. So and so.   
   >>>   
   >>>I don't live in Montana now.  There was an article in the paper before   
   >>>I left about how juries in misdemeanor trials were no longer going to   
   >>>be required.  What they based it on I could not tell you.  Probably on   
   >>>Nevada v. So and so the way all other states did.   
   >>>Robert B. Winn   
   >>   
   >>Montana, like every other state in the union, is Constitutionally bound to   
   >>provide jury trials.   Jury trials are required in misdemeanor trials per   
   >>state law where they are demanded by the defendant.   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   > Because a pro-abortion advocate says so.  That is certainly   
   > comforting.  I would have to believe my own experience.  There is no   
   > place in the United States at the present time where a person can get   
   > a trial by jury just because the Constitution says they can.  The   
   > pro-abortion faction has made the Constitution of the United States   
   > the most meaningless document that ever existed.   
   > Robert B. Winn   
      
   Mr. Winn, you really need to go back and read what you wrote.  Here's   
   where the problems lie:   
      
   1. Pro-choice does not equal liar, no matter how strongly you wish to   
   believe that.   
   2. Your own experience counts for dick and you also depend upon things   
   remembered from newspaper articles from however many years ago that were   
   also wrong.  See our earlier discussion above.   
   3. Please explain where you got the information that "There is no place   
   in the United States at the present time where a person can get a trial   
   by jury just because the Constitution says they can."  Firstly, you were   
   wrong about Montana and admitted it (albeit somewhat obliquely).   
   Secondly if you only "believe my own experience", please verify that you   
   have been charged and refused a jury trial in each of the fifty states.   
   4. Please provide proof that the "pro-abortion faction" even exists,   
   followed by proof of how they've changed the United States Constitution.   
     You can then follow that up with proof that changes to the U.S.   
   Constitution have any effect whatsoever on individual states' constitutions.   
      
   BK   
   AA#1992   
      
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