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   From: noneedtoknow@mail.com   
      
   "Light Templar"  wrote in message   
   news:I0Tdc.2705$l75.870@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...   
   >   
   > "~ * #3 * ~"  wrote in message   
   > news:37idnVAvXufGterdRVn-gg@heartoftn.net...   
   > >   
   > > "Osprey"  wrote in message   
   > > news:GZydnZMiHouwgurdRVn-vg@comcast.com...   
   > > > Why not?   
   > > > The end result in both cases is the same.  The unborn child dies   
   right?   
   > > > So why does the unborn suddenly have rights in one case and no rights   
   in   
   > > > another?   
   > >   
   > > * Because in the one case the women chose to abort - in the other case,   
   > she   
   > > did not.   
   > >   
   > > > A mother can go and pay someone to abort, kind of like hiring a hit   
   man   
   > to   
   > > > do the dirty work.   
   > >   
   > > * Do you know any way she can rid herself of the fetus without a Dr's   
   > help?   
   > >   
   >   
   > There are several.  Belladonna, for example, is one of many natural   
   abortive   
   > agents that women used to use before Roe v. Wade, which was about 70%   
   > effective.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > He kills the unborn (yes it is a violent act against the mothers   
   natural   
   > > > function to give life, and   
   > > > especially violent for the unborn).   
   > >   
   > > *  What *violence* is used against the mother?   From what I read   
   they're   
   > > under anesthesia at the time just as they would be for any surgery.   
   They   
   > > feel no pain.  There is no suffering.  When someone beats up a pregnant   
   > > women who wants her unborn baby, he doesn't usually give her anesthesia   
   > > first.... among other things.  If the child is wanted then it's murder.   
   > > It's the woman's choice since it's her body.   
   > >   
   > > > If a man attacks a woman who is pregnant, whether he meant too or not,   
   > and   
   > > > the unborn dies, he   
   > > > goes to jail.   
   > >   
   > > * Why not?  The women didn't ask the man to attack her.   
   > >   
   > > > Meanwhile, the hit man (abortionist), gets a new Jag.   
   > >   
   > > *  Who owns the woman's body?  You?  The law?  The man who sired the   
   > > defective or unwanted fetus?   
   >   
   > You'll never get Osprey to understand the issue of consent, it is beyond   
   his   
   > capabilities.   
      
      
   Hmm, lets see if you can answer some basic questions and see where there is   
   a huge problem and it isn't the issue of "her body"   
      
   Do you feel abortion is justified if a woman chooses to do so for the   
   following reasons   
      
   a) She isn't ready   
   b) Financially she isn't ready   
   c) She doesn't like the father and doesn't want to be a single mother   
   d) she hasn't finished school and has other goals she wishes to persue   
   first?   
      
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