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   From: rfischer@bolt.sonic.net   
      
   Osprey  wrote:   
   >   
   >"Light Templar"  wrote in message   
   >news:I0Tdc.2705$l75.870@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...   
   >>   
   >> "~ * #3 * ~"  wrote in message   
   >> news:37idnVAvXufGterdRVn-gg@heartoftn.net...   
   >> >   
   >> > "Osprey"  wrote in message   
   >> > news:GZydnZMiHouwgurdRVn-vg@comcast.com...   
   >> > > Why not?   
   >> > > The end result in both cases is the same.  The unborn child dies   
   >right?   
   >> > > So why does the unborn suddenly have rights in one case and no rights   
   >in   
   >> > > another?   
   >> >   
   >> > * Because in the one case the women chose to abort - in the other case,   
   >> she   
   >> > did not.   
   >> >   
   >> > > A mother can go and pay someone to abort, kind of like hiring a hit   
   >man   
   >> to   
   >> > > do the dirty work.   
   >> >   
   >> > * Do you know any way she can rid herself of the fetus without a Dr's   
   >> help?   
   >> >   
   >>   
   >> There are several.  Belladonna, for example, is one of many natural   
   >abortive   
   >> agents that women used to use before Roe v. Wade, which was about 70%   
   >> effective.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> > > He kills the unborn (yes it is a violent act against the mothers   
   >natural   
   >> > > function to give life, and   
   >> > > especially violent for the unborn).   
   >> >   
   >> > *  What *violence* is used against the mother?   From what I read   
   >they're   
   >> > under anesthesia at the time just as they would be for any surgery.   
   >They   
   >> > feel no pain.  There is no suffering.  When someone beats up a pregnant   
   >> > women who wants her unborn baby, he doesn't usually give her anesthesia   
   >> > first.... among other things.  If the child is wanted then it's murder.   
   >> > It's the woman's choice since it's her body.   
   >> >   
   >> > > If a man attacks a woman who is pregnant, whether he meant too or not,   
   >> and   
   >> > > the unborn dies, he   
   >> > > goes to jail.   
   >> >   
   >> > * Why not?  The women didn't ask the man to attack her.   
   >> >   
   >> > > Meanwhile, the hit man (abortionist), gets a new Jag.   
   >> >   
   >> > *  Who owns the woman's body?  You?  The law?  The man who sired the   
   >> > defective or unwanted fetus?   
   >>   
   >> You'll never get Osprey to understand the issue of consent, it is beyond   
   >his   
   >> capabilities.   
   >   
   >   
   >Hmm, lets see if you can answer some basic questions and see where there is   
   >a huge problem and it isn't the issue of "her body"   
   >   
   >Do you feel abortion is justified if a woman chooses to do so for the   
   >following reasons   
      
   Unlike you control freaks, most rational people do not feel that they   
   have the right to decide what reasons are good enough for another   
   person.   
      
   Do I have the right to decide if you have good enough reasons for   
   posting to this newsgroup?   
      
   --   
   Ray Fischer   
   rfischer@sonic.net   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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