XPost: alt.abortion, alt.abortion.inequity, alt.atheism
XPost: alt.support.abortion, talk.abortion
From: nachobiznez@all.com
"Light Templar" wrote in message
news:sFQkc.1074$a47.148@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Robert B. Winn wrote:
> > "Light Templar" wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> MrD wrote:
> >>> "Light Templar" wrote in message
> >>> news:w4Akc.598$a47.109@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>>> Robert B. Winn wrote:
> >>>>> "Light Templar" wrote in message
> >>>>> news:...
> >>>>>> Robert B. Winn wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that if you are really as concerned
> >>>>>>>>>>> about children killed by the Israelite army,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Since that was the topic of our discussion...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> then you would be
> >>>>>>>>>>> concerned about some of these other children, not to mention
> >>>>>>>>>>> the ones being killed by abortion today.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Please provide a listing of the names of the children being
> >>>>>>>>>> killed by abortion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That will be done at the resurrection of the dead.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Prove it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before
> >>>>>>> God, and the books were opened:, which is the book of life: and
> >>>>>>> the dead were judged out of those things which were written in
> >>>>>>> the books, according to their works.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Notice that size is not considered. Everyone will be judged.
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't consider the Bible as a valid source. Let's go back
> >>>>>> further shall we?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Cheb'rin Canoch, fatin pa'k fraine tasmal ni'ach trimbril."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Infant to soul, as is joined at the time of birth."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Hebrew Book of Mishna.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, if the pre-born have no souls, how is it that they will be
> >>>>>> ressurrected?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Hebrew Book of Mishna is not scripture.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is the primary basis of your Scripture (Mishna/Gemara/Talmud),
> >>>> which is never recanted in the scriptures. Scripture makes no
> >>>> claims as to when the soul is joined to the body.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, it does. Ecclesiastes 11:5 As you do not know the path of
> >>> the wind, or how the body is formed [ 11:5 Or [ know how life ] (or
> >>> [ the spirit ] ) / enters the body being formed ] in a mother's
> >>> womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all
> >>> things.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That mentions the spirit, not the soul. In ancient Hebrew, spirit
> >> was akin to the breath, or air, not as we commonly think of as
> >> spirit.
> >>
> >>> (interestingly, we know now how the body is formed in a mother's
> >>> womb, I guess we can understand the work of God, eh?)
> >>>
> >>> The term 'spirit' is equivalent to breath in the tongue of the
> >>> biblical writers.
> >>
> >> Okay, you already know that.
> >>
> >>> They, if inspired at all, certainly felt that the
> >>> spirit, or soul, entered the body with the first breath.
> >>
> >> In ancient Hebrew, the "spirit" and "soul" were two different
> >> concepts, although we use the terms interchangeably today.
> >>
> >>> Once a body
> >>> stops to breathe, they thought the spirit left it.
> >>
> >> The believed that the soul was called from the body, and that
> >> without the soul, the body could no longer function. In many
> >> religions, this is a common concept which sparked the various
> >> beliefs in "The Grim Reaper", and "The Boatman". The Hebrew had a
> >> similar belief in "The Angel of Death". These entities called the
> >> soul from the body when their time had come so that their body could
> >> die.
> >>
> >>> It makes sense that they believed that a magic force was inhabiting
> >>> them and animating their bodys with breathing, especially since it's
> >>> done without thought.
> >>> The bible is full of examples of 'breathing life' into something.
> >>> Adam gained his soul when God breathed life into him and he was
> >>> definitely not formed in any womb, according to the mythology
> >>> available.
> >>
> >> This is were the two different concepts come into play. God
> >> breathed the spirit (breath) into Adam, and endowed him with a soul.
> >> In Adam's uncorrupted form, the ancient Hebrew believed that Adam's
> >> soul was actually a piece of God's own soul. It's all a bit more
> >> complicated that is commonly found in the King James Version people
> >> use today. Once Adam was tempted, his soul was... well...
> >> downgraded I suppose would be the best term.
> >
> > The question is answered in Jeremiah 1:4-5 And then the word of the
> > Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew
> > thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
> > andI ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
> > Robert B. winn
>
> Jeremiah 1:4-5 Could easily be talking about the soul before it was joined
> to the body. This would be more congruent with the passages in the
original
> Aramaic as well.
>
Your point is certainly better supported that Robert's. To know him
'before' he was formed in the womb makes it obvious that he wasn't talking
about while he was forming in the womb. God was always held to put the soul
into the body upon the first breath, not before. Winn just can't accept the
truth out of his own scripture and myth background materials.
But then he's a loser, so what should we expect? He's been fooled by men to
believe something untenable.
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