XPost: alt.abortion, alt.abortion.inequity, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.support.abortion, talk.abortion   
   From: ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com   
      
   Robert B. Winn wrote:   
   > --sexkitten--  wrote in message   
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   >>Robert B. Winn wrote:   
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   >>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:   
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   >>>>>>Robert B. Winn wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, we have the commandments of God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which does not say a word about abortion. Neither do the   
   rather specific   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>biblical definitions of crime.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where's the proof?   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thou shalt not kill.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which does not say a word about abortion. Neither do the   
   rather specific   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>biblical definitions of crime.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So try again. Show me a verse that SPECIFICALLY forbids   
   abortion. Not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just "Thou shalt not kill" which is a nonexistent verse. There   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entire books and chapters giving SPECIFIC definitions of crime   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>punishments- where is the one that SPECIFICALLY forbids   
   abortion?   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Matthew 18:14  Even so, it is not the will of your Father in   
   Heaven,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that one of these little ones should perish.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. winn   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Abortion?   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Even so, it is not the will of your Father in Heaven, that one of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>these little ones should perish.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>Isaiah 13:15-18 Anyone who is captured will be run through with a   
   sword.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Their little children will be dashed to death right before their   
   eyes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no   
   amount of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot   
   down   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>babies and will show no compassion for the children.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>Exodus 12:29-30 And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn   
   sons   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat   
   on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>firstborn of their livestock were killed.  Pharaoh and his   
   officials and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing   
   was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house   
   where   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>someone had not died.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>Eze:9:6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little   
   children,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and   
   begin at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>my sanctuary.  Then they began at the ancient men which were   
   before the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>house.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>You lose.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>I agree with everything you quoted.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>>>>>>>Glad to hear it.   
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   >>>>>>>>>Isaiah described what the Medes would do to Babylonians, Moses   
   >>>>>>>>>described the deaths of the firstborn in Egypt, Ezekiel prophesied the   
   >>>>>>>>>fall of Jerusalem.  All of these deaths could have been avoided if the   
   >>>>>>>>>people involved had repented of their sins.   
   >>>>>>>>>Robert B. winn   
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   >>>>>>>>All the children were killed because they were sinners?   
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   >>>>>>>The children were killed because their parents did not heed the   
   >>>>>>>warnings of the prophets.   
   >>>>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>>>And this was the childrens fault because....?   
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   >>>>>It was not the fault of the children.  It was the fault of their immoral   
   parents.   
   >>>>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>>>Then why are the children dead?   
   >>>>For that matter, why is it OK in your opinion to kill live children   
   >>>>because their parents were immoral, but not OK for fetuses to be killed   
   >>>>because their parents were immoral?   
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   >>>It is not Ok in my opinion to kill live children.   
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   >>Unless "God" says so.   
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   >>   The Assyrian   
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   >>>soldiers who killed children as described in the verse you quoted will   
   >>>answer to God for killing the children.   The Babylonians who killed   
   >>>children as prophesied by Ezekiel will answer to God for what they   
   >>>did.  The pro-abortion who kill children today will answer to God for   
   >>>what they are doing.   
   >>>Robert B. Winn   
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   >>I wouldn't hold my breath about that one either.   
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   > Homicidal people who find themselves to be in the majority in any   
   > society are always confident about what they do.   
   > Robert B. Winn   
      
   Yes, blind faith coupled with arrogance is a hallmark of many homicidal   
      
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