From: MsMaryPoppins@webtv.net   
      
   'To respect others as you say, we must first make a "choice to". That   
   choice involves freedom to choose HOW we treat others. One cannot   
   respect others truly if they are simply forced into doing the will of   
   state or others through fear of punishment.'   
      
   Reply:  There is no respect involved when a person 'chooses to treat a   
   fellow human being' without any dignity or worth;  we all have choices   
   to make in life and as civilized human beings , we are expected to   
   choose wisely . Otherwise, Hitler really wasnt an Evil man, for, he was   
   only excersising his 'right' to do what he believed was good . Because   
   there are many in a society that will choose willfully wrongly, there   
   must be established Laws set up to protect humanity from careless,   
   destructive choices made by others . Would you really like to live in a   
   society without any Laws and punishment ?  The culture of today, has   
   perverted ones free will choice --- it focuses on the persons 'right' to   
   choose whatever...instead of focusing on the outcome and ramifications   
   thereof. There is no higher ethic than to protect an innocent Human Life   
   .   
      
   'The mother has to firstly ACCEPT that she WANTS to be the trustee of   
   her unborn child. And if she doesnt want to do that then the father has   
   the right to undertake this responsibility. And if they both choose to   
   terminate this child or adopt out they have that option too.'   
      
   Reply: The mother decides whether she wants to be a Trustee when she   
   runs the risk of pregnancy (intercourse)...not when she IS pregnant ;   
   her 'choice'  on the matter is before conception started. Afterward, it   
   doesnt become her choice to murder her own child to hide the guilt and   
   shame (which doesnt work via abortion in anycase if  you talk to Post   
   Abortive women).   
      
   'Unless society is prepared to accept total responsibility for the   
   upbringing of the unborn child that is not wanted, it has no right to   
   impose on an individual the birth process. Put up or shut up is it   
   basically. Talk is cheap, child maintenance isnt.'   
      
   Reply:  Thats like saying : Unless society is prepared to be responsible   
   for burying victims of Drunk Driving, that,  there should be no limit on   
   how much alchohol a person consumes before getting behind a wheel.   Its   
   not societys responsibility , its the individuals . But, it is societys   
   responsibility to do as much as possible thru established laws for All   
   with resulting punishment for All as a deterent to wrongful willful   
   decisions that take innocent life.   
      
   'Oh yes and if we simply stop making contraception available, your   
   argument states that all those hormone raging teens will simply stop   
   having sex??? GO check the statistics on that one. the USA has failed   
   miserably in denying contraception to young people.'   
      
   Reply:  Is there something drastically wrong with suggesting to a Teen   
   that it is important to wait till thier wedding night to have sex as the   
   Creator planned ... and to help them thru abstinence programs which   
   teaches them the purpose of sex, the purpose of respecting a fellow   
   human beings body ??   The cultures way is for a person to have instant   
   gratification ;  Gods way is for a person to not suffer consequences and   
   the teaching that many things are worth waiting for.  Perhaps if we   
   showed trust in a teenager and worked with them on the moral and ethical   
   implications...instead of tossing condoms at them , that they might have   
   a more mature responsible outlook in life.   
      
   'Well why dont we stop the influencing factors that affect our teens   
   today to HAVE sex?   
   Movies, music, magazines and advertizing that have as their main source   
   of influence...SEX.   
   Give me the creators email addy or let him reply to me here personally   
   on that one.'   
      
   Reply: I agree. We should . Trouble is,  Freedom Laws in this country   
   have backfired so Hollywood and the Media can keep on polluting the   
   minds of society under protection.  This is not what was intended by   
   Freedom in America ;  the Founding Fathers of this Country would be   
   greatly saddened to see how things got spun out of control to appease   
   self centered MO's .  The Creator doesnt have an email addy -- you just   
   humbly get on your knees at anytime of the day or night . If youd like   
   his reply in writing, then, you open up his written words to mankind   
   aka:the manufacturers manual.   
      
   'Because the woman who was raped did not ask to bear a child is why. She   
   has no moral responsibility to proceed with childbirth following rape.'   
      
   Reply:  Her duties of a Trustee are not over just because she was   
   sexually assaulted.  Its still HER own flesh and blood thats depending   
   on her and growing into her likeness and Gods likeness. Is there   
   something wrong with the mother keeping her baby, or, adopting it out   
   .versus watching it being sucked into a sink limb by limb ?   If you   
   were passing by and witnessed a robbery in progress to someone who didnt   
   ask for it...would that dismiss your moral responsibility to protect the   
   robbery victim ?   
      
   'I agree that heterosexual couples are God's/natures preferred parents,   
   otherwise he/she would have allowed gays to reproduce. Bottom line again   
   is..freedom of choice for the individual to either abort, keep or adopt   
   out the consequence of their sex.'   
      
   Reply:  You keep saying 'God/nature' .  Its either one or the other ;   
   what have you personally done to determine which youre going to center   
   your life on ?  The one you choose will be the umbrella for which you   
   not only establish your worldview, but, how you live your life and make   
   important decisions .   The 'freedom of choice'  comes when deciding to   
   have premarital sex or not knowing that there are consequential risks.   
      
   'The true Holocaust is that the USA has decided by majority vote, to   
   INVADE another country at will, in order to "free " them through a   
   bloody war. Tell me where the Christianity exists in that? Does not life   
   beyond the womb matter as much, if not more, than before it?'   
      
   Reply:  It lies in protecting the lives of the innocent in that country   
   from a Dictatorship that doesnt care about human life and the   
   exterminating of it.  Sometimes, war is necessary to maintain the   
   dignity and worth of innocent human life in a society., from the   
   pepertrators who want to end it for unjust causes. Yes, life matters   
   alot outside of the womb...which is why it must be upheld also.  How   
   come youre more concerned with innocent people/adults in a foreign land   
   that at least are 'able' to defend themselves somewhat...than an   
   innocent developing human life that is not at all ?   
      
   'Yes , when we decide to stop killing people to gain their oil reserves   
   with the excuse of "freeing them" I will agree with you.'   
      
   Reply:   Even if this scenario were true, it doesnt have any bearing on   
   killing our own developing american children in the womb.  Two different   
   issues.   
      
      
   'I live by absolute moral standards that are devoid of religious   
   secularism. Are buddhists, hindus and muslims not allowed to believe   
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)