From: whome@yahoo.com   
      
   "ChimChimery ChimChimery"  wrote in message   
   news:6983-421CC08C-106@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...   
   > 'To respect others as you say, we must first make a "choice to". That   
   > choice involves freedom to choose HOW we treat others. One cannot   
   > respect others truly if they are simply forced into doing the will of   
   > state or others through fear of punishment.'   
   >   
   > Reply:  There is no respect involved when a person 'chooses to treat a   
   > fellow human being' without any dignity or worth;  we all have choices   
   > to make in life and as civilized human beings , we are expected to   
   > choose wisely . Otherwise, Hitler really wasnt an Evil man, for, he was   
   > only excersising his 'right' to do what he believed was good .   
      
   Yes I guess Bush has Hitler's policies too.   
    Because   
   > there are many in a society that will choose willfully wrongly, there   
   > must be established Laws set up to protect humanity from careless,   
   > destructive choices made by others . Would you really like to live in a   
   > society without any Laws and punishment ?  The culture of today, has   
   > perverted ones free will choice --- it focuses on the persons 'right' to   
   > choose whatever...instead of focusing on the outcome and ramifications   
   > thereof. There is no higher ethic than to protect an innocent Human Life   
      
   There is one as equal to that and that is the protection of one's right to   
   decide for themselves what they do in their own bedroom and the consequence   
   of that action.   
   > .I think it says it all when you have a referendum in the US to ban gay   
   > marriages. Why cant you leave these people alone to live their lives as   
   > they feel they should ,you arrogant, bullying God -fearing types?   
   > God/nature made gays what they are so leave them alone. Same goes for for   
   > goes down in one's sexual life. Amen.   
   >   
   > 'The mother has to firstly ACCEPT that she WANTS to be the trustee of   
   > her unborn child. And if she doesnt want to do that then the father has   
   > the right to undertake this responsibility. And if they both choose to   
   > terminate this child or adopt out they have that option too.'   
   >   
   > Reply: The mother decides whether she wants to be a Trustee when she   
   > runs the risk of pregnancy (intercourse)...not when she IS pregnant ;   
      
   Says you.   
      
   > her 'choice'  on the matter is before conception started. Afterward, it   
   > doesnt become her choice to murder her own child to hide the guilt and   
   > shame (which doesnt work via abortion in anycase if  you talk to Post   
   > Abortive women).   
      
   Your opinion not mine.   
   >   
   > 'Unless society is prepared to accept total responsibility for the   
   > upbringing of the unborn child that is not wanted, it has no right to   
   > impose on an individual the birth process. Put up or shut up is it   
   > basically. Talk is cheap, child maintenance isnt.'   
   >   
   > Reply:  Thats like saying : Unless society is prepared to be responsible   
   > for burying victims of Drunk Driving, that,  there should be no limit on   
   > how much alchohol a person consumes before getting behind a wheel.   Its   
   > not societys responsibility , its the individuals .   
      
   Your opinion.   
      
   But, it is societys   
   > responsibility to do as much as possible thru established laws for All   
   > with resulting punishment for All as a deterent to wrongful willful   
   > decisions that take innocent life.   
      
   Do you feel for the millions of sperm that die from masterbation too???   
   >   
   > 'Oh yes and if we simply stop making contraception available, your   
   > argument states that all those hormone raging teens will simply stop   
   > having sex??? GO check the statistics on that one. the USA has failed   
   > miserably in denying contraception to young people.'   
   >   
   > Reply:  Is there something drastically wrong with suggesting to a Teen   
   > that it is important to wait till thier wedding night to have sex as the   
   > Creator planned   
   Wedding night?? LMAO When half the marriages today dissolve and the rest of   
   us dont bother to get married but live defacto I dont think anyone can   
   "wait" that long or bother to marry.   
   This is the New Age. Forget the past Mary Poppins.   
      
    ... and to help them thru abstinence programs which   
   > teaches them the purpose of sex,   
   Its purpose is to share love and lust and to occassionally breed. Or tell me   
   , every time you have sex..if you do at all....are you hoping to churn out   
   another lil Chim chimmery? LMAO   
      
    the purpose of respecting a fellow   
   > human beings body ??   
      
   I respect my lover's body.   
      
    The cultures way is for a person to have instant   
   > gratification ;   
      
   So we must suffer unnecessarily and any form of gratification that is   
   instant is wrong?   
      
    Gods way is for a person to not suffer consequences and   
   > the teaching that many things are worth waiting for.  Perhaps if we   
   > showed trust in a teenager and worked with them on the moral and ethical   
   > implications...instead of tossing condoms at them , that they might have   
   > a more mature responsible outlook in life.   
      
   Why not give them both the condom and education?   
   >   
   > 'Well why dont we stop the influencing factors that affect our teens   
   > today to HAVE sex?   
   > Movies, music, magazines and advertizing that have as their main source   
   > of influence...SEX.   
   > Give me the creators email addy or let him reply to me here personally   
   > on that one.'   
   >   
   > Reply: I agree. We should . Trouble is,  Freedom Laws in this country   
   > have backfired so Hollywood and the Media can keep on polluting the   
   > minds of society under protection.  This is not what was intended by   
   > Freedom in America ;  the Founding Fathers of this Country would be   
   > greatly saddened to see how things got spun out of control to appease   
   > self centered MO's .   
   Oh I see. If it comes to making a fast buck in the USA with sleaze its OK.   
   If you wish to decide your future in the bedroom its not. Hypocrits!   
      
    The Creator doesnt have an email addy -- you just   
   > humbly get on your knees at anytime of the day or night . If youd like   
   > his reply in writing, then, you open up his written words to mankind   
   > aka:the manufacturers manual.   
      
   The book written by various men and compiled by various other men?   
   >   
   > 'Because the woman who was raped did not ask to bear a child is why. She   
   > has no moral responsibility to proceed with childbirth following rape.'   
   >   
   > Reply:  Her duties of a Trustee are not over just because she was   
   > sexually assaulted.  Its still HER own flesh and blood thats depending   
   > on her and growing into her likeness and Gods likeness.   
   She had no choice in the matter. SHE WAS RAPED! Her choice now to abort is   
   definitely hers alone.   
   Is there   
   > something wrong with the mother keeping her baby, or, adopting it out   
   > .versus watching it being sucked into a sink limb by limb ?   
   No. She can decide whatever she wants to do.   
      
     If you   
   > were passing by and witnessed a robbery in progress to someone who didnt   
   > ask for it...would that dismiss your moral responsibility to protect the   
   > robbery victim ?   
   If that assailant was holding a weapon Id have no obligation to risk my life   
   to save some strangers money.   
   >   
      
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