From: MsMaryPoppins@webtv.net   
      
   'Yes I guess Bush has Hitler's policies too. Because   
   there are many in a society that will choose willfully wrongly, there   
   must be established Laws set up to protect humanity from careless,   
   destructive choices made by others . Would you really like to live in a   
   society without any Laws and punishment ? The culture of today, has   
   perverted ones free will choice --- it focuses on the persons 'right' to   
   choose whatever...instead of focusing on the outcome and ramifications   
   thereof. There is no higher ethic than to protect an innocent Human Life   
   There is one as equal to that and that is the protection of one's right   
   to decide for themselves what they do in their own bedroom and the   
   consequence of that action.   
   I think it says it all when you have a referendum in the US to ban gay   
   marriages. Why cant you leave these people alone to live their lives as   
   they feel they should ,you arrogant, bullying God -fearing types?   
   God/nature made gays what they are so leave them alone. Same goes for   
   for goes down in one's sexual life. Amen.   
   'The mother has to firstly ACCEPT that she WANTS to be the trustee of   
   her unborn child. And if she doesnt want to do that then the father has   
   the right to undertake this responsibility. And if they both choose to   
   terminate this child or adopt out they have that option too.'   
   Reply: The mother decides whether she wants to be a Trustee when she   
   runs the risk of pregnancy (intercourse)...not when she IS pregnant ;   
   Says you.   
   her 'choice' on the matter is before conception started. Afterward, it   
   doesnt become her choice to murder her own child to hide the guilt and   
   shame (which doesnt work via abortion in anycase if you talk to Post   
   Abortive women).   
   Your opinion not mine.   
   'Unless society is prepared to accept total responsibility for the   
   upbringing of the unborn child that is not wanted, it has no right to   
   impose on an individual the birth process. Put up or shut up is it   
   basically. Talk is cheap, child maintenance isnt.'   
   Reply: Thats like saying : Unless society is prepared to be responsible   
   for burying victims of Drunk Driving, that, there should be no limit on   
   how much alchohol a person consumes before getting behind a wheel.     
   Its not societys responsibility , its the individuals .   
   Your opinion.   
   But, it is societys   
   responsibility to do as much as possible thru established laws for All   
   with resulting punishment for All as a deterent to wrongful willful   
   decisions that take innocent life.   
   Do you feel for the millions of sperm that die from masterbation too???   
   'Oh yes and if we simply stop making contraception available, your   
   argument states that all those hormone raging teens will simply stop   
   having sex??? GO check the statistics on that one. the USA has failed   
   miserably in denying contraception to young people.'   
   Reply: Is there something drastically wrong with suggesting to a Teen   
   that it is important to wait till thier wedding night to have sex as the   
   Creator planned   
   Wedding night?? LMAO When half the marriages today dissolve and the rest   
   of us dont bother to get married but live defacto I dont think anyone   
   can "wait" that long or bother to marry.   
   This is the New Age. Forget the past Mary Poppins.   
     ... and to help them thru abstinence programs which   
   teaches them the purpose of sex,   
   Its purpose is to share love and lust and to occassionally breed. Or   
   tell me , every time you have sex..if you do at all....are you hoping to   
   churn out another lil Chim chimmery? LMAO   
     the purpose of respecting a fellow   
   human beings body ??   
   I respect my lover's body.   
     The cultures way is for a person to have instant   
   gratification ;   
   So we must suffer unnecessarily and any form of gratification that is   
   instant is wrong?   
     Gods way is for a person to not suffer consequences and   
   the teaching that many things are worth waiting for. Perhaps if we   
   showed trust in a teenager and worked with them on the moral and ethical   
   implications...instead of tossing condoms at them , that they might have   
   a more mature responsible outlook in life.   
   Why not give them both the condom and education?   
   'Well why dont we stop the influencing factors that affect our teens   
   today to HAVE sex?   
   Movies, music, magazines and advertizing that have as their main source   
   of influence...SEX.   
   Give me the creators email addy or let him reply to me here personally   
   on that one.'   
   Reply: I agree. We should . Trouble is, Freedom Laws in this country   
   have backfired so Hollywood and the Media can keep on polluting the   
   minds of society under protection. This is not what was intended by   
   Freedom in America ; the Founding Fathers of this Country would be   
   greatly saddened to see how things got spun out of control to appease   
   self centered MO's .   
   Oh I see. If it comes to making a fast buck in the USA with sleaze its   
   OK. If you wish to decide your future in the bedroom its not. Hypocrits!   
     The Creator doesnt have an email addy -- you just   
   humbly get on your knees at anytime of the day or night . If youd like   
   his reply in writing, then, you open up his written words to mankind   
   aka:the manufacturers manual.   
   The book written by various men and compiled by various other men?   
   'Because the woman who was raped did not ask to bear a child is why. She   
   has no moral responsibility to proceed with childbirth following rape.'   
   Reply: Her duties of a Trustee are not over just because she was   
   sexually assaulted. Its still HER own flesh and blood thats depending on   
   her and growing into her likeness and Gods likeness.   
   She had no choice in the matter. SHE WAS RAPED! Her choice now to abort   
   is definitely hers alone.   
   Is there   
   something wrong with the mother keeping her baby, or, adopting it out   
   versus watching it being sucked into a sink limb by limb ?   
   No. She can decide whatever she wants to do.   
       If you   
   were passing by and witnessed a robbery in progress to someone who didnt   
   ask for it...would that dismiss your moral responsibility to protect the   
   robbery victim ?   
   If that assailant was holding a weapon Id have no obligation to risk my   
   life to save some strangers money.   
   'I agree that heterosexual couples are God's/natures preferred parents,   
   otherwise he/she would have allowed gays to reproduce. Bottom line again   
   is..freedom of choice for the individual to either abort, keep or adopt   
   out the consequence of their sex.'   
   Reply: You keep saying 'God/nature' . Its either one or the other ;   
   Your opinion.   
   what have you personally done to determine which youre going to center   
   your life on ?   
   Why should I decide?   
     The one you choose will be the umbrella for which you   
   not only establish your worldview, but, how you live your life and make   
   important decisions .   
   Rubbish.   
       The 'freedom of choice' comes when deciding to   
   have premarital sex or not knowing that there are consequential risks.   
   Not knowing? Who doesnt know ? That ignorance, not freedom of choice.   
   'The true Holocaust is that the USA has decided by majority vote, to   
      
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