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   Hoofprints to Hoofprints   
   Re: False memories...   
   05 Nov 07 12:08:10   
   
   XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.psychology, sci.psychology   
   From: equsphotogphr@hotmail.com   
      
   Hoofprints wrote:   
   >   
   > Hoofprints wrote:   
   > >   
   > > dank wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > What motivates psychologists who hypnotize clients and brainwash   
   > > > them by implanting false memories of childhood abuse?   
   > >   
   > > First, it isn't just psychologists who practice false memory   
   > > brainwashing.   
   > > It is done also by using puppets to get children to point to places   
   > > where adults have touched or other by social workers and other   
   > > counselors.   
   > > If the child doesn't point to a certain point where they were supposedly   
   > > touched, then some will take the lead and place the child's hand or   
   > > finger in the place where they were supposedly touched by the adult or   
   > > other.   
   > > Other types of this hand over hand technique is done with patients who   
   > > can't speak and are being taught to point to things on a keyboard on   
   > > their wheelchairs or other attempting to get them to 'indicate' whether   
   > > they want a glass of water, point here for yes, and point there for no.   
   > > It is generally used by persons who are 'overzealous' and seek to find   
   > > answers from person whose vocabulary isn't completely formed or are   
   > > silent and can't speak.   
   > > They basically implant in the child's brain the areas that they want to   
   > > have them address in order to file a lawsuit.   
   > > Sorry but I don't recall the name of this behavioral technique at the   
   > > moment.   
   >   
   > One other thing, about this technique.   
   > If a mother or father who is embroiled in a child custody case knows   
   > about this technique, they can 'prompt' the child prior to any law   
   > hearing in which the child will be asked to indicate where the other   
   > parent touched them.   
   > So IMHO, even if the CT. were to 'film the child and the therapist' who   
   > is attempting to 'elicit' the response, the groundwork for this type of   
   > lawsuit can be laid _well in advance_ through the home environment and   
   > training techniques.   
   > The 'child' who wants to 'please' the parent and get a 'reward', will   
   > indicate exactly where the other parent showed them to point.   
      
   The 'reward' can also be 'fear' motivated and not just a positive   
   consequence.   
   For _some_ 'a positive' response is *escaping* a 'negative' event like   
   getting punched, belittled or whatever negative prompt is being given   
   for giving the 'wrong or incorrect' response by the authority figure or   
   trainer.   
   If you know how to train an animal you can train a person.   
   Your bosses give rewards and punishments later on in adult life, and it   
   is all the same techniques which shapes human behaviors for positive or   
   negative responses.   
      
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > Has anyone done a psychological profile on these sick persons?   
   > > > Are they delusional and really believe the memories they implant   
   > > > are authentic?  Were they molested themselves and believe they   
   > > > are performing a public service by causing innocent people to be   
   > > > accused of rape?  Do they simply enjoy the sense of power they   
   > > > get from totally fucking with a person's sense of reality?   
   > > >   
   > > > I can understand a UFO-believer brainwashing someone to remember   
   > > > being abducted by aliens, but in those cases there isn't any   
   > > > accusation of a heinous crime against a real person (the aliens   
   > > > conducting the anal probe are imaginary).   
   > > >   
   > > > Oh, and has any psychologist ever been convicted for causing a   
   > > > client to file false charges based on an implanted memory?   
   > >   
   > > I think that there are other cases other than the McMartin Pre-school   
   > > case but they may not be related to childhood sexual abuse.   
   > >   
   > > > What   
   > > > is the law regarding this practice?  I remember that the McMartin   
   > > > pre-school case ended in acquittal, but I don't remember any   
   > > > charges ever being brought against the psychologists who   
   > > > "interviewed" the children and assured prosecutors that their   
   > > > wild tales of hot air balloons and giraffes were true.   
   > >   
   > > It isn't just psychologists who practice these techniques.   
      
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