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   From: johncwirsen@mchsi.com   
      
   "Jurassic Pierogi"  wrote in message   
   news:4778ebf3.0503180341.1a366d21@posting.google.com...   
   > "WitchWirsen"  wrote in message   
   > news:...   
   >> You are full of shit.   
   >> Inmates get better medical care in the state of Missouri than working   
   >> citizens who have committed no crimes.   
   >>   
   >> And coming from a family filled with law enforcement, and one LE of over   
   >> 50   
   >> years, I resent your remarks about how they operate.   
   >> It's hogwash.   
   >   
   > And seeing that 80% are dopers, I would imagine meeting one of your   
   > family LEO's would turn out to be a bad day for just about anyone.   
      
   My generation.  80% or so, including our spouses.   
   My mothers generation, and her parents generation is a whole different   
   matter.   
   My grandfathers brother, for instance, was a constable in the same county   
   for over 50 years.   
   My cousin, aunts son, is a guard at a prison.   
   And there are more, sadly, the druggies out number these days.   
      
   And no, you would never see anyone in my family stand around laughing while   
   someone lay dying on a floor.   
   And no, you wouldn't even see them tickled at an addict having DT's.   
      
   Not the LEs, and not the Druggies.   
      
      
   >   
   > But of course it's hogwash. Your doper LEO relatives would never stand   
   > around and laugh at prisoners dying on the floor in front of them.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "kathleen"  wrote in message   
   >> news:1111095050.955861.131750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   >> These questions need to be asked about American   
   >> prisons in general.  They get notoriously bad healthcare   
   >> and dental care.  If you have a crown that needs to be   
   >> finished, the dentists will offer you to have the tooth   
   >> pulled.   
   >>   
   >> The inmates die of HIV and no one cares, 85% of the   
   >> kitchen workers are HIV infected, and tuberculosis   
   >> is not uncommon.   
   >>   
   >> More than half the prisoners have no teeth.  The only   
   >> medical care they get is Seroquel, mostly.  If you are   
   >> injured, the medical staff laughs, and gives no treatment.   
   >>   
   >> No one cares if inmates don't survive.  Think about it.   
   >> They don't care if you have doctor's orders or orders from   
   >> the court to be treated for anything.  They deny you medical   
   >> care.  Period.   
   >>   
   >> They don't report assaults to anyone.  If one prisoner   
   >> attacks another, they turn a blind eye, and record that it   
   >> was a fight, even if it was not.  They encourage the aggressors,   
   >> because the guards enjoy these fights.  The mentality behind   
   >> that is that no one better the hell dare complain to any   
   >> authorities about what goes on in the prisons, and if they   
   >> think you might complain, they see to it, that you are   
   >> not protected from the real psychos there.   
   >>   
   >> In other words, they use the other violent prisoners as   
   >> an intimidation and punitive technique.   
   >>   
   >> This is not conjecture or hearsay.   
   >>   
   >> Kathleen   
   >>   
   >> georgia wrote:   
   >> > Washington Post   
   >> >   
   >> > >From the Medics, Unhealthy Silence   
   >> >   
   >> > By Stephen N. Xenakis   
   >> > Sunday, February 6, 2005; Page B04   
   >> >   
   >> > The recent confirmation hearings for attorney general nominee Alberto   
   >> > R. Gonzales and the trials of the soldiers accused of misconduct at   
   >> Abu   
   >> > Ghraib have once again brought to the fore questions about the use of   
   >> > torture in our war on terrorism. But one aspect that is never   
   >> mentioned   
   >> > -- one I believe is essential to consider -- are the actions or, more   
   >> > to the point, the apparent inaction of medical personnel at both   
   >> > Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.   
   >> >   
   >> > Detention facilities like these typically have fully staffed clinics   
   >> > with primary care physicians, nurses and a host of other support   
   >> > personnel to treat American soldiers as well as detainees. Their   
   >> common   
   >> > duty -- from corpsmen with basic medical skills training to   
   >> physicians   
   >> > with leadership positions -- is to provide care according to high   
   >> > standards of medical practice to all who need it and, of course, to   
   >> > report any signs of physical or psychological abuse.   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> > The Post's opinion and commentary section runs every Sunday.   
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   >> > As a physician holding the title of brigadier general by the time I   
   >> > retired in 1998, I directed major medical support efforts during the   
   >> > 1991 Gulf War and have seen the Army leadership up close. So, as the   
   >> > scandals at Abu Ghraib in Iraq and Guantanamo in Cuba unfolded, I   
   >> > wondered why we had heard so little from the medics. When faced with   
   >> > the twin pressures of performing their military duty and providing   
   >> > treatment, did the staffs at these facilities turn a blind eye to the   
   >> > physical and mental torture inflicted on the prisoners, or perhaps   
   >> even   
   >> > collude with interrogators? There are few other explanations for why   
   >> > they didn't report suspicious findings from the examinations of the   
   >> > detainees. Unless, of course, those reports were suppressed.   
   >> >   
   >> > I've also wondered whether the senior medical leadership of the Army,   
   >> > Navy and Air Force knew of the abuses -- and whether their reports   
   >> > could have been concealed.   
   >> >   
   >> > My growing concern has been reinforced by an appalling case of glib   
   >> > reasoning, in which the office of the deputy assistant secretary of   
   >> > defense for health affairs, as reported in a recent issue of the New   
   >> > England Journal of Medicine, has taken the position that the medical   
   >> > personnel at these facilities had not breached the Hippocratic oath   
   >> > because there was not a recognized doctor-patient relationship. The   
   >> > NEJM reported that the deputy assistant secretary endorsed the view   
   >> > that some of the medics supporting interrogators in Iraq and   
   >> Guantanamo   
   >> > were operating outside the bounds of the doctor-patient relationship   
   >> > and were thus not required to abide by accepted ethical guidelines.   
   >> >   
   >> > What precisely does this mean? That the prisoners were not being   
   >> billed   
   >> > by the medical personnel? That there were no neat files, none of   
   >> those   
   >> > signed privacy forms known as HIPAAs? Don't worry, the Defense   
   >> > Department seems to be saying, being a military physician doesn't   
   >> mean   
   >> > that you need to stick to the time-honored maxim of "First, do no   
   >> > harm"?   
   >> >   
   >> > Indeed, the same article noted that the office contended that the   
   >> > legitimate objective of fighting terrorism trumps the ethical   
      
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