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   From: kdu7@cheese-a-phone.commmmmmm   
      
   kane_pohaku@yahoo.com wrote:   
   > Hussin wrote:   
   >> WitchWirsen wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Better that 10 guilty go free, than one innocent suffer.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yeah, so that the 10 guilty can find more victims, and instead of   
   >>> the ten original they have twenty, then thiry, and so on.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> You are preying on people's fears. Government should not have the   
   >> power to lock up anyone for any amount of time without any due   
   >> process whatsoever.   
   >   
   > That has nothing to do with the Blackstone quote. It refers to due   
   > process. You are referring to lack of it.   
   >   
      
   It had everything to do with it. You're advocating a process that presumes a   
   accused person guilty unless proven otherwise with your statement above   
   suggesting that the 10 guilty can find more victims. That is preying on the   
   fears of people.   
      
   >> If   
   >> you disagree, just remember Nazi Germany, the old Soviet Union, Red   
   >> China and many other authoritarian regimes that never allowed due   
   >> process rights.   
   >   
   > Let me know when no one has due process rights in the US.   
      
   It's happening now. Ever heard of the USA PATRIOT Act that gives the   
   government power to spy on citizens without any cause? What about the   
   thousands of people that were detained in the hysteria that followed 9/11?   
   Many of them still have neither been charged with any crime nor released.   
   Where is due process there?   
      
   >> It's slowly becoming like that in the US. The government under   
   >> Clinton and Bush has used and still uses fear to acquire more and   
   >> more power at the expense of the people.   
   >   
   > It has it's limits.   
      
   Ok. What are they?   
      
   >   
   > Are you suggesting that there are not enemies of the US? Back as long   
   > ago as 1987 I was snarled at repeatedly as a Meguo in Taipei of all   
   > places. A supposed ally that we in fact have protected and supported   
   > for decades. Since I understand and speak some Mandarin I had   
   > interesting conversations with those that hate us. They are victims of   
   > propaganda. And it's certainly borne fruit.   
   >   
   > Or do you think that 9-11 was an anomaly?   
      
   My own opinion is that as horrible as it was, it was brought about by years   
   of arrogant US foreign policy all over the world. The US should simply stay   
   out of the affairs of other countries and certainly should not support   
   regimes all over the world that oppress their people.   
      
   >> "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads   
   >> to hate. And hate leads to suffering."   
   >   
   > Then we should not fear or be angry at those that committed the   
   > atrocity of 9-11, or the previous Trade Center bombing, both done by   
   > people in conspiracy with each other. I'll be sure and give Bin Laden   
   > your name so he can personally thank you one day.   
      
   As Bush said, the 9/11 attacks were an attack on our freedom and our way of   
   life. If we give up freedom out of fear of terrorists, they win.   
      
   >> --   
   >> Hussin   
   >> Visit my website at www.cheese-a-phone.com   
   >   
   > No, Hissin, I don't think I will. Thanks though. You go deceptively on   
   > about your business of disarming Americans as to their place as the   
   > most hated people in the world. I'll go on reminding them it's a   
   > propaganda ploy of those that want power for themselves by destroying   
   > others to bring everyone down to and below their already miserable   
   > level.   
   >   
   > It's envy. And that is ALL it is. It's not religion. It's not the   
   > economy. It's just human jealousy driven to the point of hatred.   
   >   
      
   People are going to go on hating us as long as the behavior of the US in   
   respect to the world is so arrogant. Bush has got us into two wars in his   
   first term alone. He seems to think that The US should be the wrold's   
   self-appointed police department and he is dead wrong there.   
      
   --   
   Hussin   
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