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   Message 559 of 2,131   
   Rudy Canoza to All   
   Re: Dogs, mirrors, self awareness...   
   18 Sep 05 23:33:25   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.psychology, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
   XPost: alt.animals.dog   
   From: someguy@ph.con   
      
   Fuckwit Harrison the convict lied:   
      
   > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:47:29 GMT, Rudy Canoza  wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >>the convicted felon   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No.   
      
      
   >>David Fuckwit Harrison lied:   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No.   
      
   >>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>the convicted felon   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
   >   
   >   
   >>David Fuckwit Harrison lied:   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>The likeliest one, Fuckwit, particularly when you   
   >>>>>>understand *all* of the aspects of self awareness that   
   >>>>>>"philosophers of mind" are talking about.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>  Explain or at least list them *all* you poor pathetic   
   >>>>>Goober, or we'll again have proof that you have no   
   >>>>>idea what you're trying to talk about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>What the fuck do you mean, "all", Fuckwit?  You just   
   >>>>revealed, yet again, that you not only don't know what   
   >>>>youre talking about, but you don't even know the right   
   >>>>questions to ask.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    Asking you to explain anything is a waste of time   
   >>   
   >>Yes, it is.  I explain.  You don't comprehend.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No; all true.  I explain, you don't comprehend.  For   
   you, the experience undoubtedly is a waste of time.   
      
      
   >>SO it   
   >>is a waste of time.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>Philosophers of mind are not in   
   >>>>unanimous agreement on what they are, you stupid fuck,   
   >>>>so there *can not* be an "all".   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    So we now have yet another example of how incredibly   
   >>>stupid I am.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No.  You *are* incredibly stupid.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >>Yes, we do,   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No; we do have yet another example of your stupidity.   
      
      
   >>although I fail to see what that has to do   
   >>with the topic.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>Here are *some*, Fuckwit, and they indicate that again,   
   >>>>you are grossly over your head.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>- being aware that one is a being separate from others,   
   >>>> *and* from the rest of the environment   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    They are.   
   >>   
   >>Prove it.   
   >   
   >   
   >     They function and behave as beings seperate from   
   > others and the rest of the environment,   
      
      
   Not a proof, Fuckwit.  That doesn't show that *they*   
   are aware of the separation.  It's "separate", NOT   
   "seperate", you ignorant fuck.   
      
   >>You can't, of course.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>- being aware, as a direct implication of one's own   
   >>>> self awareness, that *others* are self aware   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    No Rudy,   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
      
   Yes, you lied in saying that awareness of others' self   
   awareness isn't important.   
      
   >>Yes, Fuckwit-Harrison-the-convict.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   No.   
      
      
   >>This is a *direct*   
   >>implication of self awareness,   
   >   
   >   
   >     That doesn't matter Rudy.   
      
   Yes, Fuckwit-the-convict, it does matter.  It helps to   
   create yet another test.   
      
      
   >>as philosophers of the   
   >>mind define it.  If you don't get their definition,   
   >   
   >   
   >     Rudy, it's no profound concept that a being would have   
   > to posess some self awareness in order to contemplate   
   > it in others.   
      
   It's apparently profound enough that you can't get your   
   felon's mind around it, Fuckwit.   
      
   >>then you simply can't participate in the discussion.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.  You are incapable of participating.  You're   
   too stupid, too limited intellectually, too inarticulate.   
      
      
   >>>>- knowing that one has a beginning and an end   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    No Rudy,   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >>Yes, Fuckwit-Harrison-the-convict.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.   
      
      
   >>See above.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.   
      
      
   >>>>- knowing that one exists at a particular place and time,   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    No again Rudy.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   You're calling yourself a liar now, Fuckwit.   
      
      
   >>Yes, Goo-Fuckwit-the-convict.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>See above.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie, Fuckwit.   
      
      
   >>>> which *necessarily* implies that there are other   
   >>>> places and times in which the self aware being does   
   >>>> *not* exist   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>At the very best, Fuckwit, you stupid unaware log, dogs   
   >>>>could conceivably meet the first;   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    I can't believe you could understand even that much   
   >>>Rudy.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   You're calling yourself a liar again, Fuckwit.   
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >>I understand far more than you about the topic,   
   >   
   >   
   >>Fuckwit.  I have education   
   >   
   >   
   >     Explain what you have learned from experience with   
   > animals.   
      
   non sequitur   
      
      
   >>and the ability to think   
   >>critically.   
   >   
   >   
   >     There's no evidence of that.   
      
   There is.   
      
      
   >>You have neither,   
   >   
   >   
   >     I have far more education from personal experience   
      
   Anecdotes.   
      
      
   >>and you have the further   
   >>handicap of deliberately choosing to be stupid.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>but there is no evidence they do,   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    LOL!   
   >>   
   >>What's funny,   
   >   
   >   
   >     Your ignorance. Your stupidity.   
      
   Those can't be funny, because they're figments of your   
   imagination.   
      
   >   
   >>Fuckwit-the-convict?   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lie.   
      
   Not a lie.   
      
      
   >>>>and people like you who just   
   >>>>stubbornly insist they do have no evidence to support   
   >>>>the belief, only your own wishful thinking.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Dogs clearly do not have the next three.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>    Whether they do or not   
   >>   
   >>They don't, and it's why they are judged by competent   
   >>philosophers of mind not to be self aware.   
   >   
   >   
   >     Rudy, anyone who "thinks" your other   
      
   Dogs are generally considered not to be self aware,   
   Fuckwit.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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