XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
   From: doxielover_2004@yahoo.com   
      
   I'm not certain anyone who has posted to this topic has even a basic   
   understanding of the term 'self-awareness'.  I suggest you all take the   
   time to look this up.  Then this discussion might take on a truly dynamic   
   and relavant tone.   
      
   Thanks,   
      
   Barry   
      
      
      
   dh@. wrote in news:sa3ri15rs9r50qmgr8jg1j6saqpbg8ti6r@4ax.com:   
      
   > On Mon, 05 Sep 2005  Goo wrote:   
   >   
   >>Consider the mental life of a dog, for example.   
   >>Presumably, dogs have a rich array of experiences (they   
   >>feel pain and pleasure, the tree has a particular   
   >>"look" to it) and they may even have beliefs about the   
   >>world (Fido believes that his supper dish is empty).   
   >>Who knows, they may even have special "inner   
   >>experiences" that accompany those beliefs. However, if   
   >>we assume that dogs are not self-aware in the stronger   
   >>sense,   
   >   
   > we still have no reason to believe they are not self aware   
   > to some extent. In fact, the idea that they are not is quite   
   > a stupid one and is not supported in any way.   
   >   
      
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