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   Message 610 of 2,131   
   dh@. to moonspeak@hotmail.com   
   Re: Dogs and self-awareness   
   02 Oct 05 10:14:17   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On 2 Oct 2005 00:15:27 -0700, moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
      
   >notgenx32@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >> If you destroyed the olfactory nerves in a dog, it would continue to   
   >> attempt to sniff at things in order to learn about them.  It would   
   >> simply conclude after each episode, in which it couldn't smell   
   >> anything, that there was nothing interesting about the sniffed thing.   
   >> But if you did the same thing to a human, the person would no longer   
   >> attempt to smell things; he would have AWARENESS that his sense of   
   >> smell was gone.   
   >   
   >Has this ever been attempted? If it has, can you direct me to the study?   
      
       Almost certainly not. Goo doesn't support his claims even with   
   his own reasons, much less support from others. He is now in the   
   position that he should give reason to believe that self awareness   
   is not about awareness of self, but instead it means the ability   
   to contemplate one's abilities to some particular extent, but he   
   will never explain to what extent, or why it's called self awareness,   
   or what awareness of self is actually called and/or if it's ever   
   considered at all.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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