XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On Mon, 03 Oct 2005  Goo wrote:   
      
   >dh wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005  the Goober wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>You have completely failed to address this, Fuckwit,   
   >>>you chickenshit:   
   >>>   
   >>>   If you destroyed the olfactory nerves in a dog, it   
   >>>   would continue to attempt to sniff at things in order   
   >>>   to learn about them.  It would simply conclude after   
   >>>   each episode, in which it couldn't smell anything,   
   >>>   that there was nothing interesting about  the sniffed thing.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     If so, that's obviously because it is aware   
   >> that it could smell.   
   >   
   >NO,   
      
       Yes it is Goober, as it proved by continuing to try   
   doing so even after it could no longer do it. It's almost   
   a surprise that you can't understand something that   
   obvious.   
      
   >you stupid fuck.  It CANNOT smell any longer, by   
   >supposition.  GOD DAMN, Fuckwit - could you get any   
   >more stupid?   
      
       LOL! You are completely lost Goo...just spinning around   
   throwing out words...unable to even understand that I was   
   explaining something to you about your imaginary dog that   
   cannot smell any longer. LOL...you poor ignorant Goober.   
      
   >The dog is not aware that it has a sense of smell,   
   >Fuckwit.   
      
       LOL. It lost it Goo. Your imaginary dog *is* aware that it   
   *could* smell, which is why it continues trying *to* smell. But   
   such things are too much for you to even understand, much   
   less consider in detail.   
      
   >Dogs just sniff things automatically,   
      
       No. They sniff things deliberately because they learn things   
   by doing so.   
      
   >and for   
   >most dogs, that yields information.  But the dog has no   
   >meta-awareness that it has a sense of smell, but poor   
   >nerve-damaged Sparky over there does not.   
   >   
   >It lacks self awareness, Fuckwit.   
      
       According to YOUR definition it could have many concepts   
   about itself, and still lack self awareness.   
      
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