XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
   From: someguy@ph.con   
      
   moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
      
   > Rudy Canoza wrote:   
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   >>moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
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   >>>notgenx32@yahoo.com wrote:   
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   >>>>moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
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   >>>>>Rudy Canoza wrote:   
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   >>>>>>moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>Rudy Canoza wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>Dogs just sniff things automatically, and for   
   >>>>>>>>most dogs, that yields information.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>So how do you explain retreiver dogs that sniff to find the shot bird   
   >>>>>>>and once the bird is found, they stop sniffing and walk towards the   
   >>>>>>>hunter?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not psychological/philosophical awareness of a sense of   
   >>>>>>smell, that's for sure.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Then how?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Simple conditioned response.  NOT because the dog is   
   >>>>psychological/philosophical aware of a sense of smell.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>I'd still like to hear Rudy's reasoning. According to Rudy, sniffing is   
   >>>not a response, but something that just happens.   
   >>   
   >>You fucking idiot:  didn't I just *say* it's   
   >>conditioned response?   
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   >   
   > Sorry, I didn't know that "notgenx32@yahoo.com" and "Rudy Canoza" was   
   > the same individual.   
   >   
   >   
   >>Learn to read, dope.  It's a   
   >>*conditioned* response.  The dog has no philosophical   
   >>or psychological awareness of it.  It is exactly like   
   >>your earlier example of plant leaves following the sun.   
   >   
   >   
   > So dogs do not sniff because that just what dogs do? It is then a   
   > response to something else. Therefore, if there is nothing to trigger   
   > the response, then the dog will not sniff, right? So if the dog lost   
   > it's sense of smell, what will trigger the dog to sniff?   
      
   It's a little of both.  It's an instinct - a dog   
   doesn't have to be taught to sniff at things - and it's   
   a conditioned response, in that most dogs obtain   
   information from sniffing.   
      
   A dog that loses its sense of smell will continue to   
   try to sniff at things, indicating it has no   
   meta-awareness of "sense of smell".   
      
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