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   Message 645 of 2,131   
   dh@. to Goo   
   Re: Dogs and self-awareness   
   07 Oct 05 16:01:16   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On Mon, 03 Oct 2005  Goo wrote:   
      
      
   > You   
   >have NEVER studied animals in an academic setting.   
      
       That's a lie Goo. Some of the experiments we learned about   
   pigeons have had an influence on my perspective as well. But   
   I've had hands on experience too Goo, which you have not.   
   You can't even comprehend the possibility that actually being   
   there to watch animals get slaughtered could make a person   
   feel one way or the other about it. If you were to see it happen   
   once you would undoubtedly be so overcome with horror that   
   you couldn't think straight about it (not that you can now)...   
   especially if you had to do some cutting...and reach in and   
   grab some guts....and smell them....and then they begin to get   
   dry and sticky...sticking to your hands and clothes... And that's   
   only one aspect. Then there are the times when animals are   
   born...watching them grow and learn (learn? Goo is lost beyond   
   any hope at the concept of a baby animal learning), and the   
   ways they change from being a young animal to a mature one   
   .....all those things and many more can shape a person's pov if   
   they experience them Goober, but you can't even comprehend   
   that.   
      
       There are those who see all that who still don't care in the   
   least about the animals too Goo, like Rick Etter. I believe he   
   claims to care to some degree about some wildlife, but probably   
   not out of consideration for them. He can see hundreds...   
   probably thousands of food animals experience life as any   
   other animals do, and still not give any consideration to what   
   they get out of it. So it's not only people with absolutely no   
   experience like youself that don't give a shit about the animals,   
   but it may only be people who do have experience that can.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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