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   Message 646 of 2,131   
   dh@. to moonspeak@hotmail.com   
   Re: Dogs and self-awareness   
   07 Oct 05 16:02:00   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On 3 Oct 2005 10:47:07 -0700, moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
      
   >   
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005  Goo proclaimed:   
   >>   
   >> >moonspeak@hotmail.com pointed out:   
   >>   
   >> >> You are a living joke. I've answered your question TWICE, and I'll   
   >> >> answer it a THIRD time. I'll dumb it down for you and remove the   
   >> >> reasoning behind it since you have difficulty understanding: I suspect   
   >> >> a dog would stop sniffing things.   
   >> >   
   >> >What's your basis for believing that?  Why is your   
   >> >basis any better than mine for my belief?   
   >> >   
   >> >I believe a dog would continue trying to sniff at   
   >> >things.  Dogs sniff; that's just what they do.   
   >>   
   >>     They do it because they are aware that they can learn from it   
   >> Goo. Their ancestors who were aware that they could use smelling   
   >> to their advantage, survived and reproduced others who had the   
   >> ability to do the same thing.   
   >   
   >One doesn't need to be aware of what they do to have an advantage in   
   >natural selection. Plants in climates with little sunlight that turn   
   >their leaves towards the sun have an advantage over plants that do not,   
   >but plants are not aware that they turn their leaves or that it is   
   >works to their advantage.   
      
       Animals are aware of things, and whether or not they can learn   
   does have an infuence on some of their evolution....not all, but   
   some... Can't understand that huh?   
      
   >> It's called "survival of the fittest" among   
   >> other things, but neither of you can understand what things make one   
   >> animal more "fit" than another, and therefore neither of you has the   
   >> slightest clue of *how* "evolution"/"survival of the fittest"/"natural   
   >> selection" works. The sad part is that since you don't understand it   
   >> by this time, you almost certainly never will.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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