XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.behavior   
      
   On 3 Oct 2005 10:09:41 -0700, moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
      
   >   
   >dh@. wrote:   
   >> On 2 Oct 2005 16:44:47 -0700, moonspeak@hotmail.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >dh@. wrote:   
   >> >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005  Goo wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> >Barry Blust wrote:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >> Let's try to understand the meaning of awareness and its difference   
   from   
   >> >> >> knowing, instincts and learned behaviors.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> Dogs smell and hear and taste and jump above tall grass and disregard   
   >> >> >> pain sometimes and roll over to say "I give up" because of instincts.   
   >> >> >> These things are the results of long term and short term evolution...   
   and   
   >> >> >> have nothing to do with awareness.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Exactly right.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>     LOL. They evolved as they did *because* of their awareness, and the   
   >> >> way that they responded to that awareness. But you are the last person   
   >> >> who would ever be able to understand that Goo. You not only can't   
   >> >> understand it, you're apparently not even capable of considering it.   
   >> >   
   >> >Dogs did not evolve because of the way they respond to things.   
   >>   
   >>     LOL! If that were true, nothing would have ever evolved from the very   
   >> first form of life...LOL...what a concept!   
   >   
   >You do not understand, do you?   
      
       I understand that animals' ability or lack of ability to understand can   
   influence the way they evolve.   
      
   >If I behave a certain way, then I will   
   >evolve?   
      
       If you have the children of a mentally handicapped person, could that   
   trait be passed onto your children?   
      
   >No.   
      
       Maybe you are mentally handicapped.   
      
   >But humans will evole because there are many mechanims that   
   >drive it.   
   >   
   >> >Evolution is a continual process. Dogs are the way they are because of   
   >> >the mechanisms of evolution.   
   >>   
   >>     You have obviously given no thought at all as to exactly what the many   
   >> mechanisms of evolution happen to be. You must be a girl.   
   >   
   >I know very well what the mechanisms of evolution are,   
      
       All of them? As yet, you don't seem able to understand how   
   animals' ability to understand could influence evolution.   
      
   >and natural   
   >selection isn't the only mechanism. Things will continue to evolve,   
   >even without natural selection. Natural selection is non-existant in   
   >dogs, yet they still evolve.   
      
       Can you understand how animals' ability to understand could   
   influence which dogs humans breed together, and how that could   
   influence their evolution? If not, there's no hope for you. If so, then   
   maybe that can help you understand how it could influence other   
   types of evolution as well.   
      
   >Just look at a bulldog from 100 years ago   
   >and compare it with the modern bulldog.   
      
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