On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:20:21 AM UTC-8, Reply to: a   
   basani.kook@albasani.net wrote:   
   > Last Tuesday a 25-year-old woman in Chicago was waiting at the    
   > bus stop in the early morning when she was approached by a 19-   
   > year-old man with a gun. The Chicago Tribune describes what    
   > happened next:   
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   > Laavion Goings Jr. was out of jail only two months when the 19-   
   > year-old walked up to a bus stop about a block from his home,    
   > pulled out a gun and tried to rob a woman on the Far South Side.   
   >    
   > But the woman had a gun too and fired first, hitting Goings in    
   > the chest, according to Chicago police. The teen ran back to his    
   > home and made it as far as a stairwell in the foyer of a    
   > building before collapsing in the 400 block of West 103rd Street.   
   >    
   > That’s where officers found him shortly before 6 a.m. Tuesday,    
   > just minutes after the shooting. He died within an hour at    
   > Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.   
   >    
   > Video from across the street apparently captured the incident so    
   > police know exactly what happened. The intended victim had a    
   > concealed carry permit for her gun so she is not in any trouble    
   > with authorities. This is a clear case of self-defense.   
   >    
   > Enter Zack Ford, an editor at Think Progress who was    
   > outrageously outraged that conservatives at the Dailly Caller    
   > were celebrating the fact that a woman defended herself with a    
   > gun against an armed mugger. (As I was writing this, Ford    
   > deleted all of his tweets, but screenshots exist.)   
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   > By the time I saw that tweet it had about 4,000 responses and    
   > fewer than 200 had liked it. Truly a ratio for the ages. When    
   > Zack was called on this by his own followers he doubled down    
   > (from here).   
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   > So she shouldn’t have had a gun even in this case where she used    
   > it to defend herself against an armed mugger. What was she    
   > supposed to do then, exactly? If you guessed ‘not fight back’    
   > then you’re tracking well with Zack Ford’s mindset (from here):   
   >    
   > She should have “let him rob her.” That’s a great piece of    
   > armchair quarterbacking from a guy who probably hasn’t ever had    
   > a gun pointed at him. What happens if, having collected her    
   > purse, the mugger decides to drag her around the corner and rape    
   > her? Should she let that happen too? What if he’s high and    
   > shoots her for no real reason? The point is, Zack Ford has no    
   > idea what would have happened next if the woman hadn’t been    
   > armed. More importantly, she had no idea either. All she knew in    
   > that moment was that a man was pointing a gun at her and making    
   > demands.   
   >    
   > It’s worth noting that this guy has been in trouble with the law    
   > before. From the Chicago Sun-Times:   
   >    
   > Laavion Goings had been released from Cook County Jail two    
   > months earlier after pleading guilty to a drug charge and was on    
   > probation at the time of the robbery, according to authorities.   
   >    
   > Goings pleaded guilty Nov. 1 to possession of methamphetamine,    
   > Cook County court records showed. He had initially also faced    
   > six counts of aggravated battery to a peace officer in    
   > connection with the same case, but the charges were later    
   > dropped by prosecutors.   
   >    
   > To be very clear, I’m not suggesting he deserved to die. I am    
   > suggesting that he had a record and a history of violent,    
   > unpredictable behavior that would make it unwise for a young    
   > woman to wait around and see what he decides to do after he    
   > pulls a gun. Dana Loesch had a pretty sharp response along these    
   > lines:   
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   >    
   > Dana Loesch   
   > ?   
   > @DLoesch   
   >  · 12h   
   > Replying to @DLoesch   
   > The idea that women should not defend themselves and instead    
   > attend first to the wellbeing of their attacker is some of the    
   > sickest BS ever. What a mind job.   
   >    
   >    
   > Dana Loesch   
   > ?   
   > @DLoesch   
   > If you target a woman and attack her she has every right to drop    
   > you. Make predators afraid — as opposed to shaming women for    
   > wanting to live or not be assaulted or violated.   
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   > 9:17 AM - Jan 15, 2019   
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   > 437 people are talking about this   
   > But if you think it’s just the NRA that supports this kind of    
   > self-defense, think again. I watched three different local news    
   > reports on this story (two of them are below) and all of the    
   > local residents say the woman did the right thing (and many    
   > believe the mugger got what he deserved). Note, these were all    
   > black, Chicago residents who are probably not arch-conservatives    
   > or NRA members. One older gentleman in the 2nd clip below says,    
   > “I don’t feel sorry for the guy at all, I feel sorry for her.”   
   >    
   > At some point, someone must have gotten through to Zack Ford. He    
   > deleted his tweets and posted this apology thread:   
   >    
   >    
   > Zack Ford   
   > ?   
   > @ZackFord   
   >  · 10h   
   >  THREAD: I want to offer both some apologies and clarifications    
   > about a poorly-worded tweet I sent about an incident of gun    
   > violence. I have since deleted the tweet.   
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   > Zack Ford   
   > ?   
   > @ZackFord   
   > 2. First, I believe people have the right to defend themselves.    
   > My tweet suggested otherwise, and for that I apologize.   
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   > Zack Ford   
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   > @ZackFord   
   >  · 10h   
   > Replying to @ZackFord   
   > 3. My tweet also ignored the context that this took place in a    
   > neighborhood with high rates of violence. That's an experience I    
   > don't have and shouldn't speak to. For that I also apologize.   
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   > Zack Ford   
   > ?   
   > @ZackFord   
   > 4. My tweet suggested that conservative outlets covering this    
   > story were happy about a death. That was not my intention, and I    
   > apologize.   
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   > Again, Ford is the only person who made this about    
   > conservatives. I’m guessing that’s a knee-jerk reaction of his.   
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   > Zack Ford   
   > ?   
   > @ZackFord   
   >  · 10h   
   > Replying to @ZackFord   
   > 5. My ideal is for a world in which guns do not have to be a    
   > part of anyone's daily life and in which gun deaths are not a    
   > part of our daily news. I stand by this ideal and disagree with    
   > the proposition that more guns will make people safer.   
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   > Zack Ford   
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   > @ZackFord   
      
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