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   dh@. to Dutch   
   The pureness of Dutch's selfishness is a   
   07 Sep 08 20:28:18   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, misc.rural   
      
   On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:09:45 GMT, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >dh@. wrote:   
      
   >>Rupert wrote:   
      
   >>>Toby Ord has given me some resources to look at in the field of   
   >>>axiology;   
   >>   
   >>    I've given you some resources to look at in the fields of   
   >>reality.   
   >   
   >ROTFLMAO!!   
      
       I've suggested that you think about the animals as well but   
   also point out that the purity of your selfishness won't allow you   
   to consider the animals at all, much less go and see how life   
   could be of value to them or anything else to do with consideration   
   OF THEM.   
      
   >>Go out and look at some cattle, and think about what   
   >>it would be like to be each individual animals, every minute of   
   >>every day, week after week, month after month...   
   >   
   >"If I didn't eat burgers, animals like this wouldn't   
   >exist."   
      
       There's a lot more to it than that, but being as purely selfish   
   as you are that's as far as you're able to go with it in the direction   
   of the animals, which is nowhere at all really. The purity of your   
   own selfishness is a mental disorder which prevents you from   
   considering the animals, and of course thereby prevents you from   
   being able to consider whether or not different practices are cruel   
   TO THEM.   
      
   >>That's the   
   >>only way you can really get any idea what we're really talking   
   >>about, but you'll probably never do it.   
   >>   
   >>>I will do some reading   
   >>   
   >>    Have some first hand observation and maybe some   
   >>interaction. It can teach you things no amount of reading   
   >>will be able to.   
   >   
   >Logic of the Larder - circular sophism   
      
       Considering the animals is a necessary part of considering   
   the animals. Lying to yourself that it's not is some form of   
   insanity, and likely to be associated with more than one.   
   Duh.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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