XPost: alt.food.vegan.science, talk.politics.animals, alt.animal   
   .ethics.vegetarian   
   From: systemX@clipityclop.com   
      
   Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   > SystemX wrote:   
   >> Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>> SystemX wrote:   
   >>>> Dragonblaze wrote:   
   >>>>> Scientists have found that consuming vegetarian, meat-free diet leads   
   >>>>> to brain shrinkage.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is a lie.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Q.Where in the ORIGINAL study does it come to that conclusion?   
   >>>   
   >> snipped BS (again)   
   >>>   
   >>> Conclusion: Low vitamin B12 status should be further investigated as   
   >>> a modifiable cause of brain atrophy and of likely subsequent   
   >>> cognitive impairment in the elderly.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> It isn't being vegetarian per se;   
   >>   
   >> Well done, go to top of the class, now FOAD.   
   >   
   > YOU fuck off and die, 2nd Jizzstain of Chris or Marks de Shitbag or   
   > whatever sucky nym of yours I've forgotten.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> it's being deficient in B12, something vegetarians *commonly* are   
   >>> unless they take supplements.   
   >>   
   >> The study, bum-breath, was about the elderly, the elderly are   
   >> *commonly* deficient of B12, if they eat meat or not.   
   >   
   > Prove it, jizzstain.   
      
   You can look as well as I can; lazy boy.   
      
   Here's a few:   
      
   (1) Vitamin B-12 deficiency in the elderly: current dilemmas   
      
   SP Stabler, J Lindenbaum and RH Allen   
   Department of Medicine, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,   
   Denver 80220, USA.   
      
   Vitamin B-12 deficiency is present in up to 15% of the elderly   
   population as documented by elevated methylmalonic acid with or without   
   elevated total homocysteine concentrations in combination with low or   
   low-normal vitamin B-12 concentrations.   
      
   (2) Metabolic evidence that deficiencies of vitamin B-12 (cobalamin),   
   folate, and vitamin B-6 occur commonly in elderly people [published   
   erratum appears in Am J Clin Nutr 1994 Jul;60(1):147]   
      
   E Joosten, A van den Berg, R Riezler, HJ Naurath, J Lindenbaum, SP   
   Stabler and RH Allen   
   Department of Internal Medicine, University Hospitals KU Leuven, Belgium.   
      
   Measurements of the serum concentrations of the metabolites   
   homocysteine, cystathionine, methylmalonic acid, and 2-methylcitric   
   acid, which accumulates when vitamin B-12-, folate-, and vitamin B-6-   
   dependent enzymatic reactions are impaired, should provide a better   
   indication of intracellular deficiency of these vitamins.   
      
   (3) Prevalence of cobalamin deficiency in the Framingham elderly population   
      
   J Lindenbaum, IH Rosenberg, PW Wilson, SP Stabler and RH Allen   
   Department of Medicine, Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, New York,   
   NY 10032.   
      
   The prevalence of cobalamin deficiency was > or = 12% in a large sample   
   of free-living elderly Americans. Many elderly people with "normal"   
   serum vitamin concentrations are metabolically deficient in cobalamin or   
   folate.   
      
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