XPost: alt.food.vegan.science, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
      
   On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 Goo wrote:   
      
   >On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:09:46 -0200, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 05 Oct 2008 20:36:31 GMT, archaea@scfas.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> "You don't know science, or logic, or statistics.  You're a dishonest   
   >>>> ideologue, and a marginal - a foot-rubber."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You go too far, she might be a competent foot rubber and held in high   
   >>>> esteem in her profession.   
   >>>   
   >>>" WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT "NO INSULTS"??"   
   >>>   
   >>>What I do understand is that you don't read carefully and/or snip on   
   >>>purpose to decieve.  The last sentence above was my reply to the first.   
   >>   
   >>    Larry is an eliminationist. I've never encountered an eliminationist   
   >>who is very honest. His "ar" brother Goo   
      
   >False.  You know I am an opponent of "ar"   
      
       Goober your supposed "opposition" to the misnomer can only   
   support it to a certain extent before it can no longer be considered   
   opposition but instead considered support. Yours crosses WAAAAY   
   over that line deep into the heart of misnomer advocacy, Goob:   
      
   "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo   
      
   "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
      
   "There is nothing to "appreciate" about the livestock "getting   
   to experience life" - Goo   
      
   "logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the   
   first place is the ethically superior choice." - Goo   
      
   "People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans"."   
    - Goo   
      
   "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not to raise   
   the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that results   
   from killing them." - Goo   
      
   "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO moral   
   consideration, and is given none; the deliberate killing   
   of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral   
   consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
      
   ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of   
   their deaths" - Goo   
      
   "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing   
   of the animals erases all of it." - Goo   
      
   "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude   
   than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo   
      
   "the nutritionally unnecessary choice deliberately to kill an animal   
   ALWAYS causes a moral harm greater in magnitude than . . . the   
   moral "benefit" realized by the animal in existing at all" - Goo   
      
   "Humans could change it. They could change it by ending it." - Goo   
      
   "There is no "selfishness" involved in wanting farm animals not to   
   exist as a step towards creating a more just world." - Goo   
      
   >, Goo - unlike you.   
      
       I suggest that decent AW is ethically equivalent or superior   
   to the misnomer, and you oppose consideration of the suggestion,   
   Goo. LOL...did you forget what you think you think and what you're   
   trying to do, Goo?   
      
   >>is the most dishonest person I've ever encountered.   
   >   
   >False  again.  You know that you are the dishonest one, forging quotes   
   >and lying about people's positions.  I am scrupulously honest, and you   
   >know it.   
      
       Let's turn on the lie detector and run that one through, Goob:   
      
   >False   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >again.   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >You know that you are the dishonest one,   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >forging quotes   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >and lying about people's positions.   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >I am scrupulously honest,   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   >and you know it.   
      
   That's a lie.   
      
   Wow Goo. No one else I'm familiar with lies as much   
   as you, making you STILL the most dishonest person   
   I've ever encountered.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)