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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, talk.politics.animals, misc.rural   
      
   On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:39:01 -0700 (PDT), "Mr.Smartypants"    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Mar 24, 10:50 am, dh@. wrote:   
   >> "The opportunity for potential livestock to "get to   
   >> experience life" deserves *NO* moral consideration   
   >> whatever" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "I give the lives of animals that exist *LOTS*   
   >> of consideration." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "the "getting to experience life" deserves NO   
   >> moral consideration, and is given none" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "I also give the not-yet-begun lives of animals   
   >> that are "in the pipeline", so to speak, a lot of   
   >> consideration" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "There is no "consideration" to be given." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Life is not a benefit for farm animals." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Their lives may be pleasant for them." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> ""Life", by which you mean coming into existence, is not   
   >> a benefit at all" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "We ARE NOT, and NEVER WERE, talking about whether   
   >> existing animals "benefit" from living." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Those "lives of positive value" are only meaningful   
   >> *IF* the livestock exist. " - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "The topic is not and never has been whether or not   
   >> existing animals enjoy living." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "IF they exist, then they can benefit (or not) from the   
   >> aspects of their lives." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "We are not and never were talking about benefits for   
   >> existing entities" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Coming into existence is not a benefit to them" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Set your clock back by an hour" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "I didn't say to set your clock back an hour" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "When the entity moves from "pre-existence" into the   
   >> existence we know" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "I never said they "move from 'pre-existence'"" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "we don't know if that move improves its welfare" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "the deliberate killing of animals for use by humans DOES   
   >> deserve moral consideration, and gets it." - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "Intent doesn't matter" - Goo   
   >>   
   >> "ONLY deliberate human killing deserves any moral   
   >> consideration." - Goo   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >"Set your clock back by an hour" - Goo   
   >   
   >   
   >"I didn't say to set your clock back an hour" - Goo   
   >   
   >   
   >ROTFLMAO!!   
   >   
   >Poor stupid Goo.;o)   
      
       No one outstupids himself like that Goober. I miss   
   the days when you would think you'd seen Goob be   
   as stupid as a person can get, and then he'd surprise   
   you with something even stupider...ah the days of Goo...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)