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   AlleyOop@nul.vod to Kvisions@live.con   
   Re: Michael Jackson, vegetarian, dead at   
   07 Jul 09 23:24:24   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.california   
      
   On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:13:59 -0700, K  wrote:   
      
   >AlleyOop@nul.vod wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:38:11 -0500, John Mayson  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> John Mayson wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> It isn't an issue at all killing carrots.  The problem for people who   
   >>>>>> claim to be vegetarian for ethical reasons is that animals are killed in   
   >>>>>> the course of producing vegetable crops.  There is no such thing as   
   >>>>>> produce that is free of animal deaths.   
   >>>>> I have never killed anything with my garden, therefor there is such a   
   thing   
   >>>>> as produce that is free from animal deaths.   
   >>>> You don't eat only food from your garden.  You eat some commercially grown   
   >>>> and distributed food, too.  The production of that food causes animals to   
   >>>> die.   
   >>> No.... the OP claimed "animals are killed in the course of producing   
   >>> vegetable crops".  I'm pointing out no animals have ever been killed by my   
   >>> garden.   
   >>>   
   >>> John   
   >>   
   >> You bought land that at one time had animals on it. By proxy you are   
   >> responsible for their deaths. By creating a demand for the land you do   
   >> cause the death of animals!   
   >   
   >He's really not posting seriously about his garden; he's just trying to   
   >be cute, and achieving snarky instead.  The fact is, animals are killed   
   >indiscriminately in the course of the production and distribution of   
   >most of the food he eats; also in the course of producing virtually   
   >everything else he consumes.   
      
   I wonder about these people. What do they wear on their feet? Leather?   
   How many animal products will be found in their homes? Do they eat   
   jello?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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