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   AlleyOop@nul.vod to Dutch   
   Re: Michael Jackson, vegetarian, dead at   
   07 Jul 09 23:33:55   
   
   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.california   
      
   On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:30:55 -0700, Dutch  wrote:   
      
   >John Mayson wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> John Mayson wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It isn't an issue at all killing carrots.  The problem for people   
   >>>>> who claim to be vegetarian for ethical reasons is that animals are   
   >>>>> killed in the course of producing vegetable crops.  There is no such   
   >>>>> thing as produce that is free of animal deaths.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I have never killed anything with my garden, therefor there is such a   
   >>>> thing as produce that is free from animal deaths.   
   >>>   
   >>> You don't eat only food from your garden.  You eat some commercially   
   >>> grown and distributed food, too.  The production of that food causes   
   >>> animals to die.   
   >>   
   >> No.... the OP claimed "animals are killed in the course of producing   
   >> vegetable crops".  I'm pointing out no animals have ever been killed by   
   >> my garden.   
   >>   
   >> John   
   >   
   >While it is possible to raise crops by hand without killing   
   >animals, it is not possible to feed the human race with   
   >individually hand-tended gardens. Also, even most small   
   >gardens must be defended from pests like slugs.   
   >   
      
   And rabbets and in some areas deer.   
      
      
   >I understand the squeamishness people feel about killing   
   >animals, but at a certain point it becomes a pathology.   
      
   People who kill animals for food do not enjoy the act. If it's not   
   done they don't eat! And if a person get hungry enough he or she will   
   kill an animal to eat. I've seen my mother's youngest sister cry   
   because she didn't want to kill a chicken. Her mother told her if she   
   didn't there would not be anything for dinner. My grandmother was not   
   being mean.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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