XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.california   
      
   On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:51:34 -0700, K  wrote:   
      
   >AlleyOop@nul.vod wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:13:59 -0700, K  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> AlleyOop@nul.vod wrote:   
   >>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:38:11 -0500, John Mayson  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> John Mayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, K wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It isn't an issue at all killing carrots.  The problem for people who   
   >>>>>>>> claim to be vegetarian for ethical reasons is that animals are killed   
   in   
   >>>>>>>> the course of producing vegetable crops.  There is no such thing as   
   >>>>>>>> produce that is free of animal deaths.   
   >>>>>>> I have never killed anything with my garden, therefor there is such a   
   thing   
   >>>>>>> as produce that is free from animal deaths.   
   >>>>>> You don't eat only food from your garden.  You eat some commercially   
   grown   
   >>>>>> and distributed food, too.  The production of that food causes animals   
   to   
   >>>>>> die.   
   >>>>> No.... the OP claimed "animals are killed in the course of producing   
   >>>>> vegetable crops".  I'm pointing out no animals have ever been killed by   
   my   
   >>>>> garden.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> John   
   >>>> You bought land that at one time had animals on it. By proxy you are   
   >>>> responsible for their deaths. By creating a demand for the land you do   
   >>>> cause the death of animals!   
   >>> He's really not posting seriously about his garden; he's just trying to   
   >>> be cute, and achieving snarky instead.  The fact is, animals are killed   
   >>> indiscriminately in the course of the production and distribution of   
   >>> most of the food he eats; also in the course of producing virtually   
   >>> everything else he consumes.   
   >>   
   >> I wonder about these people. What do they wear on their feet? Leather?   
   >> How many animal products will be found in their homes? Do they eat   
   >> jello?   
   >   
   >If they're truly "vegans", they don't wear leather and they don't eat   
   >gelatin.  But they are *constantly* expressing surprise that they're   
   >finding animal bits in minute quantities in things they eat, and then   
   >loudly congratulating themselves for finding it and getting it out of   
   >their diet.  However, they never do conduct a comprehensive and   
   >exhaustive search to extirpate every last bit; it's always piecemeal.   
      
   It's stunning just what is in your home that has animal products in   
   it.   
   The glue that holds your furniture together is one.   
      
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