XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
      
   On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:16:03 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:18:23 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:45:15 -0800 (PST), Rupert   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>Ball seems to make this statement often enough. I claim that the vast   
   >>>majority of people living in developed nations who make a transition   
   >>>to an omnivorous diet to a vegan diet achieve a signfiicant reduction   
   >>>in the amount of suffering, premature death, and injection of carbons   
   >>>in the atmosphere caused by the production of their food, and also in   
   >>>most cases they'd probably struggle a fair bit to achieve a comparable   
   >>>reduction by any means short of avoiding animal products almost   
   >>>completely.   
   >>   
   >>  · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of   
   >>wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of   
   >>buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.   
   >>What they try to avoid are products which provide life   
   >>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have   
   >>to avoid the following items containing animal by-products   
   >>in order to be successful:   
   >>   
   >>tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water   
   >>filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,   
   >>insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,   
   >>heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,   
   >>gelatin capsules,  adhesive tape, laminated wood products,   
   >>plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane   
   >>wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings   
   >>   
   >>    The meat industry provides life for the animals that it   
   >>slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it   
   >>as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for   
   >>their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume   
   >>animal products from animals they think are raised in decent   
   >>ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the   
   >>future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for   
   >>livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious   
   >>consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by   
   >>being vegan.   
   >>    From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised   
   >>steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people   
   >>get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well   
   >>over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people   
   >>get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm   
   >>machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and   
   >>draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is   
   >>likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings   
   >>derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products   
   >>contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and   
   >>better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·   
   >   
   >Jam the boilerplate bullshit up your ass.   
      
       It was all true when I wrote it years ago, it's still just as   
   true as it was then, and it will continue to be true in the   
   future.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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