XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
      
   On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:10:22 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote   
   >> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:02:42 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> wrote   
   >>>   
   >>>>    I don't buy grass raised beef. I consider it to be the fault   
   >>>> of misnomer huggers   
   >>>   
   >>>YOU fail to support lives of positive value for livestock,   
   >>   
   >>    I do whenever I feel like it, just like everybody else.   
   >   
   >Everybody else is not attacking other people for "not supporting lives of   
   >positive value", you are,   
      
       I'm pointing out that they don't, and it offends you that I   
   point it out. Now that you mention it I don't recall ever   
   attacking anyone for it, but in contrast to that it seems you get   
   offended by the fact every time I point it out. LOL...you get   
   offended every time I point out something they/you should be   
   PROUD of, not ashamed to the point that you take it as an   
   "attack". Something you should consider to be in your   
   favor--pointing out your/"their" objective--you consider to be a   
   personal "attack". That is likely to be because the objective   
   isn't necessarily the most ethically supreme choice, and you're   
   opposed to considering the lives of the animals we're discussing   
   BECAUSE doing so suggests that decent AW might be ethically   
   equivalent or superior TO THE ELIMINATION OBJECTIVE. DUH!!!!   
      
   >that makes you a hypocrite for the same reasons   
   >vegans are hypocrites for attacking others for supporting the death and   
   >suffering of animals.   
      
       Provide some example(s) of the "attacks" you're crying about.   
      
   >You have allowed yourself to get sucked into their game of judging others   
   >unjustly.   
      
       You've been judging me unjustly, and lying to and about me   
   extremely unjustly, for a decade because I encourage people to   
   consider the animals we're discussing.   
      
   >>>then blame the   
   >>>suffering you cause on someone else.   
   >>   
   >>    LOL!!! What suffering are you trying to pretend I'm causing   
   >> by not going out of my way to find grass raised beef?   
   >   
   >The suffering of cattle forced to live in dark smelly crowded barns,   
      
       I'm not stupid or ignorant enough to believe beef cattle are   
   raised that way. Being familiar with you though, I do suspect   
   that you are lying blatantly AGAIN.   
      
   >fed   
   >antibiotics and corn, a foreign food to them, causing bloating and   
   >intestinal distress   
      
       Farmers are careful not to feed too much grain too fast   
   because cattle will founder themselves, which is more evidence of   
   your lie being a lie.   
      
   >instead of being allowed to live according to their   
   >instincts, being outdoors grazing on grass.   
   >   
   >It is the same principle as caged hens vs free range, except worse, because   
   >even most free range hens never see any grass or daylight.   
      
       They don't care either. As long as they're in an open house   
   they're usually in a position to have a decent life of positive   
   value imo. Mine is based on experience with things you're not   
   even aware of, even though I've explained them a number of times   
   in these ngs. Yours is based on misnomer propaganda.   
      
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