XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian   
      
   On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:11:16 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:54:35 -0500, dh@. wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> wrote in message news:nprpl59ur1m91m37n9r7b4qmgk0fmtasdo@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:58:20 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> wrote   
   >>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:49:08 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>You're attacking them   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Provide some examples of what you claim to be attacks.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>You're attacking them when you assert that they commit some moral   
   >>>>>shortcoming by failing to support livestock "getting to experience life"   
   >>>>>with their lifestyles,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    I point out that they don't, because they don't. Since they   
   >>>> don't, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that they don't.   
   >>>> They should be proud that they don't, not consider it a "moral   
   >>>> shortcoming" for someone to point out exactly what they are   
   >>>> TRYING NOT TO DO.   
   >>>   
   >>>If this "fact" had no moral relevance in your opinion there would be no   
   >>>reason to mention it. You *do* think it constitutes a moral shortcoming,   
   >>>that is unquestionable.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>which is the core argument of your position. The   
   >>>>>charge is infinitely stupider   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    They don't do anything at all to help any livestock, and that   
   >>>> fact should certainly be kept foremost in mind   
   >>>   
   >>>That is clearly a lie. Vegans do a lot   
   >>   
   >>    My mistake. Veg*nism does nothing to help livestock,   
   >>regardless of whether or not the veg*ns themselves manage to   
   >>contribute money to something that does help some livestock   
   >>somehow.   
   >   
   >Eating meat does nothing to help livestock.   
      
       It only seems that way to those of you who feel that none of   
   them have lives of positive value.   
      
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