XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.global-warming   
      
   On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:03:29 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message news:r0ikr5drommp5iatcpso3ampcusb15noks@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 13:46:01 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> wrote in message news:dpphr59478crbejb1ue5j77arl2fe6rpvp@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:11:37 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:vvj4r5t9k0poigoj1go9jp52htcofosr92@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:34:06 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> wrote   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    My guess is that he pretty much only hangs out with people   
   >>>>>>>> who are even less "tolerant" than he is, making him feel somewhat   
   >>>>>>>> more free. Remember at one time he pretended to be in some way a   
   >>>>>>>> "new welfarist" until Goo and his other boy kicked Rupert's ass   
   >>>>>>>> for pretending to consider the lives of some animal(s)   
   >>>>>>>> somewhere....possibly even som *livestock* animal(s). But he   
   >>>>>>>> can't do it and you can't do it and Goo can't do it and Salt   
   >>>>>>>> couldn't do it....you people just can't do it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Nobody should do "it", and the reason nobody but you does is because   
   >>>>>>>"it"   
   >>>>>>>is   
   >>>>>>>self-serving bullshit.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    It's a necessary part of evaluating whether or not it's cruel   
   >>>>>> TO THE ANIMALS for humans to raise them for food.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>That doesn't mean anything.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Of course it does,   
   >>>   
   >>>If it means something then tell me what it is. I can evaluate whether it   
   >>>is   
   >>>cruel or not to raise animals by simply looking at how they are treated.   
   >>>   
   >>>You need to explain how the fact that "they get to experience life" if we   
   >>>raise them and they don't if we don't raise them helps me evaluate whether   
   >>>it is cruel or not to raise them.   
   >>>   
   >>>Once again, you can't. All you can say is that it seems obvious to you,   
   >>>however just because something is obvious to you does not make it true.   
   >>>   
   >>>> so that was a blatant lie. You're too   
   >>>> dishonest to acknowledge what it means because just being that   
   >>>> honest works against the misnomer.   
   >>>   
   >>>Strawman   
   >>   
   >>    No, it's a fact. Simply acknowledging the fact that millions   
   >> of livestock animals experience lives of positive value works   
   >> against the misnomer,   
   >   
   >And the fact that billions experience lives of negative value works for AR.   
   >   
   >Who wins?   
      
       Livestock who get to experience decent lives of positive   
   value and humane deaths appear to win, but misnomer addicts can't   
   afford to acknowledge things that are good for livestock.   
      
   >> which is why you refuse to be honest enough   
   >> to do so.   
   >   
      
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