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   dh@. to nhoj@droffats.ten   
   Re: pro-choice on the veg matter   
   12 Apr 10 11:14:59   
   
   XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.global-warming   
      
   On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:51:59 -0500, John Stafford   
    wrote:   
      
   >   
   >I would like to know if any of these "animals for slaughter are well   
   >off" people would agree that the animals are of vastly sub-human   
   >intelligence,   
      
     · Because there are so many different situations   
   involved in the raising of meat animals, it is completely   
   unfair to the animals to think of them all in the same   
   way, as "ARAs" appear to do. To think that all of it is   
   cruel, and to think of all animals which are raised for   
   the production of food in the same way, oversimplifies   
   and distorts one's interpretation of the way things   
   really are. Just as it would to think that there is no   
   cruelty or abuse at all.   
      
       Beef cattle spend nearly their entire lives outside   
   grazing, which is not a bad way to live. Veal are   
   confined to such a degree that they appear to have   
   terrible lives, so there's no reason to think of both   
   groups of animals in the same way.   
       Chickens raised as fryers and broilers, and egg   
   producers who are in a cage free environment--as well as   
   the birds who parent all of them, and the birds who parent   
   battery hens--are raised in houses, but not in cages. The   
   lives of those birds are not bad. Battery hens are confined   
   to cages, and have what appear to be terrible lives, so   
   there is no reason to think of battery hens and the other   
   groups in the same way. ·   
      
   >so if/when a human being goes to the same place, then why   
   >don't we just add them to the food supply?   
      
       It probably goes back to the evolutionary process before   
   modern man appeared. For example chimps eat monkeys, but do they   
   eat dead chimps? Probably not. Wolves and lions scavenge, but do   
   they eat their own dead? It probably goes back to disease, and   
   animals who ate dead of their own kind died from disease as a   
   result often enough that it influeced the reproduction of species   
   including humans.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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