XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.global-warming   
      
   On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:40:31 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   > wrote in message news:bhjsr5ht1q02dq4fe4o8d7nt40lqr09igu@4ax.com...   
   >> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:07:39 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> wrote   
   >>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:03:29 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>And the fact that billions experience lives of negative value works for   
   >>>>>AR.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Who wins?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    Livestock who get to experience decent lives of positive   
   >>>> value and humane deaths appear to win   
   >>>   
   >>>Does it really?   
   >>   
   >>    Yes THEY do. You just can't allow yourself to comprehend the   
   >> fact any more, IF you were ever able to at all.   
   >>   
   >>>How did you figure that?   
   >>   
   >>    It appears to be true for all sentient creatures.   
   >>   
   >>>How many many decent animal lives   
   >>>does it take to cancel a bleak, miserable life?   
   >>   
   >>    That's a different subject, and one you can't begin to   
   >> consider in any detail until you get more comfortable admitting   
   >> that some livestock do have lives of positive value. Remember   
   >> that up until this point you couldn't even consider that aspect   
   >> for humans or anything else, but if you can now consider it for   
   >> any creatures at all then try to get somewhere with it.....   
   >   
   >We are morally culpable for causing animals to suffer, we're not entitled to   
   >moral credit because they "experience life", the fact has no moral   
   >significance.   
      
       You failed entirely. Again I encourage you to try to get   
   somewhere...   
      
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