XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
      
   > On 5/28/2010 3:45 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >   
   >> Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 5/28/2010 10:30 AM, Lee Frank wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Fred C. Dobbs"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:tKCdnfRy1ZZLZGLWnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It can't be. To talk about "better than" or "worse than" is   
   >>>>> necessarily to be comparing two states of welfare, but there is only   
   >>>>> one state of welfare in this putative comparison. It is abject   
   >>>>> nonsense to suggest a person might rationally think he is "better off"   
   >>>>> for existing rather than never existing, because the flip side is that   
   >>>>> the person would be "worse off" for never existing - but there   
   >>>>> wouldn't be a person to experience the "worse off" condition if the   
   >>>>> person never existed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This is not the same as a person who exists with a miserable welfare   
   >>>>> thinking he'd prefer to die. Even then, it makes no sense for the   
   >>>>> person to think he'd be "better off" if he ended his existence,   
   >>>>> because again, there would be no entity to experience the better   
   >>>>> welfare. It still can make sense for the person with a miserable   
   >>>>> welfare to want to die, if his existence is intolerable to him.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "i kick the habit   
   >>>> [kick the habit   
   >>>> kick the habit]   
   >>>> shed my skin.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> this is the new stuff   
   >>>> [is the new stuff   
   >>>> is the new stuff]   
   >>>> i go dancing in."   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> peter gabriel   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Rock music is never profound. It's "music" by and for emotionally   
   >>> underdeveloped people.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> thank you, idiot. that was really profound.   
   >   
   >   
   > In the simple truth of it, it is.  You're welcome.   
      
      
   You're still an idiot.   
   Go read a few more lyrics.   
      
   Robert   
      
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