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   From: whoduh@murderispositiveaction.com   
      
   On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:27:15 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   wrote:   
      
   >On May 28, 8:43 pm, Dr Who Duh    
   >wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 28 May 2010 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT), "Mr.Smartypants"   
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   >>  wrote:   
   >> >On May 28, 5:11 pm, "Fred C. Dobbs"    
   >> >wrote:   
   >> >> On 5/28/2010 3:46 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> > DT wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >> Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >>> It can't be. To talk about "better than" or "worse than" is   
   >> >> >>> necessarily to be comparing two states of welfare, but there is only   
   >> >> >>> one state of welfare in this putative comparison. It is abject   
   >> >> >>> nonsense to suggest a person might rationally think he is "better   
   >> >> >>> off" for existing rather than never existing, because the flip side   
   >> >> >>> is that the person would be "worse off" for never existing - but   
   >> >> >>> there wouldn't be a person to experience the "worse off" condition if   
   >> >> >>> the person never existed.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>> This is not the same as a person who exists with a miserable welfare   
   >> >> >>> thinking he'd prefer to die. Even then, it makes no sense for the   
   >> >> >>> person to think he'd be "better off" if he ended his existence,   
   >> >> >>> because again, there would be no entity to experience the better   
   >> >> >>> welfare. It still can make sense for the person with a miserable   
   >> >> >>> welfare to want to die, if his existence is intolerable to him.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> OK, how about this: everybody...and I mean *EVERYBODY*... admit, right   
   >> >> >> here, right now, that Fred is right.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> Then maybe he'll shut up...   
   >>   
   >> >> >> DT   
   >>   
   >> >> > ha ha   
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   >> >> > I wish I could stop...   
   >>   
   >> >> You seem to have very little self control.-   
   >>   
   >> >Said the Goober who goes into fits of rage over everything.   
   >>   
   >> you would diminish each others importance to ignore each other.   
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   >   
   >"i WAS going to set myself on fire.. but we agree."   
   >-Dr Who Duh   
   >   
   >^~   
      
   but i'd still be enlightened, in some sense.   
      
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