XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
      
   > On 5/28/2010 9:11 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >   
   >> Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 5/28/2010 3:46 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> DT wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> It can't be. To talk about "better than" or "worse than" is   
   >>>>>> necessarily to be comparing two states of welfare, but there is only   
   >>>>>> one state of welfare in this putative comparison. It is abject   
   >>>>>> nonsense to suggest a person might rationally think he is "better   
   >>>>>> off" for existing rather than never existing, because the flip side   
   >>>>>> is that the person would be "worse off" for never existing - but   
   >>>>>> there wouldn't be a person to experience the "worse off" condition if   
   >>>>>> the person never existed.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> This is not the same as a person who exists with a miserable welfare   
   >>>>>> thinking he'd prefer to die. Even then, it makes no sense for the   
   >>>>>> person to think he'd be "better off" if he ended his existence,   
   >>>>>> because again, there would be no entity to experience the better   
   >>>>>> welfare. It still can make sense for the person with a miserable   
   >>>>>> welfare to want to die, if his existence is intolerable to him.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> OK, how about this: everybody...and I mean *EVERYBODY*... admit, right   
   >>>>> here, right now, that Fred is right.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Then maybe he'll shut up...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> DT   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ha ha   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I wish I could stop...   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> You seem to have very little self control.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> can you shut up?   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes, but I like pushing jamtarts like you around, so I choose not to   
   > shut up.   
      
   have fun pushing.  it's a waste of time.   
      
   Robert   
      
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