XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   daletx wrote:   
      
   > On 5/28/2010 5:46 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >   
   >> DT wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Fred C. Dobbs wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> It can't be. To talk about "better than" or "worse than" is   
   >>>> necessarily to be comparing two states of welfare, but there is only   
   >>>> one state of welfare in this putative comparison. It is abject   
   >>>> nonsense to suggest a person might rationally think he is "better   
   >>>> off" for existing rather than never existing, because the flip side   
   >>>> is that the person would be "worse off" for never existing - but   
   >>>> there wouldn't be a person to experience the "worse off" condition if   
   >>>> the person never existed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> This is not the same as a person who exists with a miserable welfare   
   >>>> thinking he'd prefer to die. Even then, it makes no sense for the   
   >>>> person to think he'd be "better off" if he ended his existence,   
   >>>> because again, there would be no entity to experience the better   
   >>>> welfare. It still can make sense for the person with a miserable   
   >>>> welfare to want to die, if his existence is intolerable to him.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> OK, how about this: everybody...and I mean *EVERYBODY*... admit, right   
   >>> here, right now, that Fred is right.   
   >>>   
   >>> Then maybe he'll shut up...   
   >>>   
   >>> DT   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> ha ha   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I wish I could stop...   
   >>   
   >> Robert   
   >   
   >   
   > Just say no, man.  Just say no.   
   >   
   > DT   
   >   
      
   :)   
      
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