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   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:21:51 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
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   >"niunian"  wrote in message   
   >news:78u2065f83u6lapojarei7sckh1b68ef18@4ax.com...   
   >> On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:27:57 -0700, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>"niunian"  wrote   
   >>>   
   >>>> What you says sounds very good, but is it really true? To me, the best   
   >>>> way to play golf is to forget everything including yourself so that   
   >>>> there is nothing but that tiny golf ball and the next place it's going   
   >>>> to land. There is no "being". There is no "moment". The world ceases   
   >>>> to exist until the game is finished. That is what I call a blissful   
   >>>> experience.   
   >>>   
   >>>I think that is quite well said, and totally consistent with my previous   
   >>>description of the ideal golf/sports mind. One is simply part of a   
   >>>process,   
   >>>no "doing", no you, no ball, no golf course as separate entities, no   
   >>>duality, just a whole flowing process of which you are an integral part.   
   >>>It   
   >>>also works for life in general. Without the duality of  "me vs other idiot   
   >>>drivers", "being" in traffic can be quite a fun, relaxing experience. A   
   >>>think that great musicians enter this state as well.   
   >>   
   >> Actually, I think there is a little bit difference between us. Do you   
   >> realize what I recommended is something that would cost you a great   
   >> deal of mental and physical energy? It's not something I would   
   >> recommend as an example of everyday living. It's only meant for doing   
   >> something you love. If you drive a car with that kind of mental state,   
   >> you put yourself in grave danger.   
   >   
   >You're right then, we are not talking about the same thing at all, I'm not   
   >sure what you're talking about. The common term for what I'm talking about   
   >is "the zone" and it is effortless, no energy is wasted "trying". Typically   
   >after playing a game of golf or tennis while "in the zone" a person feels   
   >totally invigorated. Contrary to the state you describe, being in the zone   
   >is a form of meditation, it conserves, focuses and generates energy, it   
   >doesn't expend it. Translating that to driving in traffic, a person is   
   >acutely aware of what is important, completely in the process of driving,   
   >they do not become distracted by thoughts about a place they would rather be   
   >or emotions like anger at the driver who cut in front or frustrated thinking   
   >about the appointment they're late for. So, they drive more safely. I can't   
   >understand why you think being a part of calm focused energy is a dangerous   
   >state in which to drive.   
   >   
      
   Perhaps that is the difference between you are me. You are describing   
   a supposed idealized mental state in which you imagine yourself living   
   like a saint who solves everything effortlessly. I don't believe in   
   such illusion. What I'm describing is just a practical winning state   
   of mind for something particular like a golf game or whatever. It will   
   guarantee you playing the best golf game you can ever play, but it   
   also requires you to invest your best effort and concentration in   
   order to win. I think what I'm describing is practical and realistic,   
   and what you are describing is just an imagination or fantasy.   
      
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