XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.zen, alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
XPost: alt.philosophy.zen
From: niunian@ymail.com
On Sun, 30 May 2010 12:09:47 -0700, "Dutch" wrote:
>"niunian" wrote
>
>>>What I am describing is practical and real. It is taught by sports
>>>psychologists and is the basis for most spiritual practices such as Yoga,
>>>meditation or Tai Chi. It centres around being aware/present in the
>>>moment,
>>>the here and now, being IN the process, not in the thinking mind,
>>>distracted
>>>worrying about the mechanics of the swing, the rough or miss-hitting or
>>>what
>>>your score is going to be or what others are thinking about you, etc.. As
>>>such it is a freeing experience, it the struggle of the ego/mind that
>>>drains
>>>your energy. The same applies in the rest of life. When I have been lucky
>>>enough to play golf or tennis or pool in this state I have always
>>>performed
>>>at the top of my abilities and ended up feeling refreshed and clear
>>>headed.
>>>
>>>Describe what you're talking about, so far you've been vague.
>>>
>>>And by the way, I love "everyday living" as much as any part of life.
>>
>> I think the difference between you and me is, while you are talking
>> about how to "practice" Tai Chi, I'm talking about how to "fight" as a
>> Tai Chi master.
>
>Now you're resorting to semantics. "Practicing" as in an art or discipline
>like Tai Chi, Karate, Yoga, meditation, golf, driving a car, or medicine,
>means to perform that discipline.
Perhaps you want to talk about art or discipline, but I'm only
interested in the practical mean to win a battle or game. I think you
over complicate the issue too much with those concepts. They are not
necessary in actual battle.
>
>> In everyday practice, what you say sounds good enough,
>> but in actual combat, it's entirely another story. The problem I'm
>> trying to raise here is, you can't fight effortlessly in an actual
>> combat. In actual combat, there is no "flow", there is no "zone", and
>> there is no time to worry about "being".
>
>I am afraid you're missing the point badly. There is a flow to life's energy
>and there is a zone where one is in tune with that flow and there are many
>states where one is not. The zone is a well known phenomenon. And as I
>already clearly stated, there is no "worry" in being, no time either.
>Worrying is thinking and there is no thinking in the zone.
These are all your beliefs. They only exist because you want them to
exist.
>
>
> There is only the battle and
>> the best strategy of winning the battle. If you keep trying to get the
>> right "feeling" during a game, it's likely you are going to lose the
>> game anyway.
>
>There's no "trying" in the zone, there's no winning or losing, there is only
>the process.
>
>And you still have not explained what you're talking about, are you
>suggesting I need to get angry to play my best golf?
I'm talking exactly what you are talking about which is how to reach
the best performance in a battle or game. The only difference is, I
don't need to tune in to the "zone", and I do need to invest great
effort and concentration in order to win. To me, without effort means
without the will power. Without will power, nothing is going to
happen.
>
>This is an interesting subject but I really do not want it to degenerate
>into another battle of egos, where "winning" the debate becomes more
>important that the process of examining the ideas. That would be too ironic.
That is never my concern. I only talk to you because I think I have my
two cents worth that you might be interested. I think if you can drop
those concepts to just concentrate, you might be able to perform even
better.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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