XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, rec.food.veg, sci.econ   
   XPost: alt.philosophy   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   Dutch wrote   
   > Rod Speed  wrote   
   >> Dutch wrote   
   >>> Rod Speed  wrote   
   >>>> Immortalist wrote   
      
   >>>>> New Studies expose the destructive history of agriculture-causing   
   >>>>> the devastation of prairies and forests, driving countless species   
   >>>>> extinct, altering the climate, and destroying the topsoil.   
      
   >>>> None of that is any news, no 'new studys' are needed to work that out.   
      
   >>>> What matter is what the alternative is. Hunting and   
   >>>> gathering is a vastly less viable approach, stupid.   
      
   >>>>> In order to save the planet,   
      
   >>>> The planet is doing fine.   
      
   >>> The rock flying around in space is all right, but he means the rich   
   ecosystem of earth, that is NOT doing fine,   
      
   >> Corse it is. Its doing a hell of a lot better than it did   
   >> during the worst excesses of the industrial revolution.   
      
   > No, it's not.   
      
   Corse it is, right thruout the entire modern first world.   
      
   > First, the effects are cumulative,   
      
   Wrong, there are plenty of areas that were once much worse pollution   
   wise than they are now, most obviously with the London smog etc etc etc.   
      
   > second there many, many more sources of pollution today than then, like   
   cars, trucks, planes, tankers.   
      
   The previous approach to transport was MUCH more   
   polluting, all that horse shit in the streets etc etc etc.   
      
   Many places even make you pick up your pet's shit from the streets now.   
      
   > The oils spills of the past couple of decades were not possible then.   
      
   Yes, but they had MUCH worse pollution from burning   
   coal in their houses for heating alone like in London etc.   
      
   > The destruction of the environment through the extraction of natural gas,   
   tar sands, or the mass production of   
   > agricultural products were not possible then.   
      
   Yes, but they had their own massive pollution, most obviously with   
   coal burning in their houses, and all that horse shit etc etc etc.   
      
   And you are just plain wrong with agriculture. Western   
   europe was once quite heavily forested and that was   
   mostly gone even before the industrial revolution.   
      
   >>> it is being systematically destroyed   
      
   >> Just another silly little pig ignorant fantasy.   
      
   >>> and polluted beyond recognition by man.   
      
   >> Just another silly little pig ignorant fantasy.   
      
   > I've seen your work before Speed, you epitomize the absolute lowest common   
   denominator of head-in-the-sand Usenet   
   > blockheads. You serve no useful purpose on this earth.   
      
   And you never ever could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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