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   On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:12:42 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
   > wrote in message news:bv9nf755fmlb5juj138u3nesbsa2c16piq@4ax.com...   
   >> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:51:08 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> wrote in message news:nu9if7pp6sl4j62e2d3k43ivbrvva3rvip@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:52:14 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:dln7f7p2plcru205msb6o6bgv23lgt6r7v@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:59:54 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>A person who consumes no animal products   
   >>>>>>>has no connection to the treatment of livestock   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    They only contribute to the deaths of wildlife with their lifestyle   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Vegan agriculture also supports wildlife.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Wild animals on average suffer more than farm animals,   
   >>>> I think that's obvious." - "Dutch"   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>but veganism does nothing for livestock.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>That's not true, less demand may lead to less crowding and slower   
   >>>>>factory   
   >>>>>lines   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    More likely it would go the other way.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>, that helps livestock. Consuming meat doesn't help them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Every consumer choice promotes animals to experience   
   >>>> life." - Dutch   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "I am fully aware that billions of animals exist only because   
   >>>> humans raise them for food, that's obvious." - "Dutch"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life   
   >>>> has positive or negative value to the animal." - "Dutch"   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Good "lives" (sequences of physical and mental   
   >>>> experiences) are beneficial to animals." - "Dutch"   
   >>>   
   >>>Thanks for pasting in my points, too bad you can't grasp them.   
   >>   
   >>    They refer to how consumers influence livestock.   
   >   
   >That's deep.   
      
       Not really, but if it seems so then that could explain why you can't get   
   "down" to the level of thinking about the animals. It would be a jump up for   
   you   
   in reality. I did it when I was a kid by watching my chickens for hours at a   
   time, until they chilled out and just did what they did and I could get an idea   
   what life was like for them. You might not be able to do anything like that or   
   appreciate it if you could, but that's why I keep suggesting you go spend some   
   time checking out some local cows or something and trying. IF you ever try, be   
   sure you do it alone. It would be best if there was no other human in sight.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)