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   XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.animals.rights.promotion   
      
   On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:16:56 -0800, "Dutch"  wrote:   
      
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   > wrote in message news:1ri4g71btof5tc4utifgrnltbjk8n27oi5@4ax.com...   
   >   
   >> It would be a jump up for you   
   >> in reality. I did it when I was a kid by watching my chickens for hours at   
   >> a   
   >> time, until they chilled out and just did what they did and I could get an   
   >> idea   
   >> what life was like for them.   
   >   
   >Is that when you decided it would be fun to raise roosters   
      
       Nope.   
      
   > to entertain you   
   >and your redneck buddies by fighting each other in a pen?   
      
       I never cared much for the fight, but loved the birds and loved raising   
   them. I'm convinced they would rather fight for their life in a pit than be   
   hung   
   by their feet and have their throat slit, even if there's not a single   
   eliminationist in the planet with enough intelligence to comprehend how that   
   could possibly be the case.   
      
   >>You might not be able to do anything like that or   
   >> appreciate it if you could, but that's why I keep suggesting you go spend   
   >> some   
   >> time checking out some local cows or something and trying. IF you ever   
   >> try, be   
   >> sure you do it alone. It would be best if there was no other human in   
   >> sight.   
   >   
   >No amount of "appreciation" for livestock is going to make me engage in   
   >...[having appreciation for when decent AW results in lives of positive value   
   >for livestock], which is not "appreciation" at all,   
      
       That's a blatant lie ONLY an eliminationist has reason to tell.   
      
   >it is an attempt to   
   >use the animals' lives to mount a lame and hollow argument against vegans.   
      
       It's a significant part of the vegans' lame and hollow argument against   
   meat   
   eaters that you don't want people to take into consideration.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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